Sue St.Clair and Matthew Didier's Paranormal Blog

John -> BUT do the "beautiful people" know how to fashion a microphone out of a salad bowl??? Bet ya they don't ;)

Permalink 04/23/09 @ 21:34

Comment from: Maria [Visitor]

Holy!! When I went to the casting call the one about the "attractive female lead" was already gone. Glad you guys have it from the facebook group.

What a travesty... the paranormal BS is gettng worse.

Permalink 04/23/09 @ 22:33

Comment from: Sue [Member]

Maria -> Yep, I'm not surprised, but we do have screen shots, and pdf files to back up everything we've said, and quoted. When will people realise when you put something out on the internet it never really goes away no matter how much you try to delete or back pedal :)

Permalink 04/24/09 @ 06:51

Comment from: Todd [Visitor]

Thanks Matt & Sue. I wouldn't care if they were reenactors, and told people they were a fiction show. Saying they are the real thing is not cool. I won't watch it if it ever comes on tv.

Permalink 04/24/09 @ 07:49

Comment from: Sue [Member]

Todd -> Me too! What insults the general public, and investigators too is that when we are told something is going to be "real" we expect it to be real. On the board (not sure if you are reading it) Robin said in her opinion she is sure this series will bomb though because it offers more of the same in what is quickly becoming an oversaturated market. I think that billing themselves as real after putting out a casting call will only further undermine their credibility. Do these tv types really think the public is that stupid????

Permalink 04/24/09 @ 08:58

Comment from: The Bus Man [Visitor]

Do these tv types really think the public is that stupid?

Short answer... Yes.

Long answer... Obviously.

Permalink 04/24/09 @ 09:31

Comment from: fizzgigabyte [Visitor]

· http://fizzgigabyte.blogspot.com

thats a bummer! I loved Paranormal state, but even that latley is a little too much.

The problem is people want to see things and you dont always get any evidence so they make stuff up!

Permalink 04/24/09 @ 14:12

Comment from: Chris (remoteplanet) [Visitor]

Not a surprise of course. I liked "If you enjoy the Paranormal and enjoy the odd fright while being eager to get down to the bottom of things this is the role for you!" Dancing to "Ghostbusters" theme song must also be a prerequisite.

Chris

Permalink 04/24/09 @ 14:25

Comment from: Sue [Member]

fizzgigabyte -> That's the thing eh! The reality of paranormal research is far too boring to make for good television.

Chris -> LOL!

Permalink 04/24/09 @ 18:53

Comment from: Justin [Visitor]

· http://webhome.idirect.com/~jgilburd

I may take some flack for this as I don't know your opinions on the lot of paranormal shows, but the only one I lend any credence toward is Ghost Hunters on SciFi. It's the technical approach, focus on debunking, and many episodes where the result is not what one might call 'exciting' ie. a couple of faint sounds from an EVP session. Paranormal State is alright and they seem to mean well, but the involvement of psychics, religion, and sometimes totally ignoring the evidence(like that one lady who had dozens of homemade EVP tapes with some pretty convincing stuff, they simply made it into an intervention to get her to stop taping and abandoned the evidence) caused me to lose interest awhile back.
Whatever this new Canadian show is supposed to be, I don't see it being successful based on the fact that people who believe will see through it instantly(pun intended), and people who don't will see it for what it is, a hokey effort that likely will focus on gratuity(like Ghosthunters New Zealand with their ridiculous helmet cam).

Permalink 04/26/09 @ 04:45

Comment from: Sue [Member]

Justin -> Thank you for sharing your opinion, and I agree that the general audience will not be as stupid as perhaps the people putting together this show think.

Hiring actors to "play the role" of a paranormal investigator, and claiming their show is "reality" tv is lying in my opinion....and people especially paranormal enthusiasts hate hoaxers, and liars.

Permalink 04/26/09 @ 09:09

Comment from: Florence Brown [Visitor]

Interesting to say the least! What points you all have!

How does one go about finding a leader for a show like this?

Whatever. These haunting shows are all bogus anyway.

But still I wonder, perhaps we are being too hard on these people right out of the gate?

Perhaps not.

I just wish to be objective, IMO. I don't like judging so soon.

Let's all try NOT to be negative. Let's see what these people produce first.

But, again, whatever. I've heard about this show for a while. I have seen nothing yet; no date of the pilot or whatever.

I just don't want to jump on the sniper bandwagon yet. Can we at at least SEE what these suits produce? Maybe it's just me but I applaud anyone who dares to be under the gun with this kind of stuff...

Anyway, I will form my final opinion when I see episode 1... whenever that will be...

G'night all!

Fla

Permalink 04/29/09 @ 02:42

Comment from: Sue [Member]

Florence Brown -> Since they are billing themselves as reality tv then finding a real paranormal investigator would have been the thing to do. Otherwise you are right who cares....they may never get off of the ground anyway....but at least now people will know the truth in case they do. Would you want a bunch of actors investigating your home?

Oh and the latest news is they are now looking for a horror writer....how do you feel about that?

The show may be great...but call it what it is at this point, which is fiction, and not try to fool the public by telling them it is real.

They should be forced to put a very large disclaimer "based on reality" as opposed to being allowed to say real. This is false advertisement, and I thought there were Canadian, and International laws against that.

Permalink 04/29/09 @ 06:36

Comment from: Maria [Visitor]

The "writer" call was reported to me by a friend who posted the blurb on another board, however, once again it has beeen removed from its source. I can't find it on Facebook or the other "call" sites.

What is going on here??

Permalink 04/29/09 @ 07:12

Comment from: Sue [Member]

Maria -> I am happy to hear this info is being posted to other boards, and other people are talking about it. The power of the internet is awesome!

We do have screen captures of everything we've said above, and Facebook if pushed would have to open it's editing logs...

SO they can only delete to a point, and that is what I think is going on...a feeble attempt to back pedal.

The cat is definitely out of the bag...

Permalink 04/29/09 @ 08:47

Comment from: Maria [Visitor]

The link that my source says he found the "writer's" wanted add at, is no longer advertising for the writers. They may have taken it down.

He makes another interesting point. Check out where they are featuring their promo. The category that they have placed it under is quite interesting:

http://digg.com/comedy/History_of_a_Haunting_Teaser_Trailer

NOTICE THE WORDS COMEDY.. which further reinforces my initial belief that they are the show that the Comedy Network was advertising for a while back (I could be wrong though)..

Permalink 04/29/09 @ 13:27

Comment from: Sue [Member]

Maria -> It is possible, but why if they are a comedy or spoof show were they actively looking for "real witnesses" who were experiencing a haunting? They were even stating they would clear your home of ghosts for you! We actually were approached by someone to see if we knew of any witnesses or experiencers of the paranormal in the Niagara area would possibly be interested in letting them come in. The idea was to get new locations, and people who had not been featured in a tv show before. That is the only reason I know of this (farce?) show. And of course we said no. I did offer that something could be posted on our message board asking for people to contact them if interested, but when I saw they were casting for actors I said I could not support it at all.

Permalink 04/29/09 @ 14:29

Comment from: Nathan Chamberland [Visitor]

· http://historyofahaunting.com

Hello! I'm Nathan Chamberland. I'm the Director/Producer of the show, "History of a Haunting".

I would first like to congratulate Matthew for a fantastic and well-researched article. You are a wonderful writer and I look forward to reading more from you.

You certainly got my attention and I thank you.

I would like to start off by saying that you are right, we did send a casting call out to casting agents and the like. The purpose, as I'm sure you can understand, was to get a lot of attention and bodies present, as we held an open and public casting session, while also finding the best person for the job. That person will not be an actor, but he/she will be comfortable in front of the camera and will have the necessary skills lead a team. This person will also possess experience with the paranormal and know what they are doing. Let's face it, it's not easy to find the perfect person in this field. It is even harder to find a dedicated individual. Personally, I want to see a person who is caring and sincere and can react well with what may or may not happen.

Yes, it is true that we would prefer a leader with SOME physical appeal. This IS show business, after all. Interestingly enough, we had all kinds of diverse people come to the auditions. Some large, some small, some older, some younger. I think you will be pleasantly surprised with our choice when it will be released on May 15th. It is interesting, to say the least, that our top four contenders are not actors at all.

As for HH being a fake show, please allow me to clarify:
Every single event that happens on-camera is 100% authentic. We have a script supervisor in place, but only for the host that will be presenting the show. There will be no scripts for the team. So, in essence (and I am sure this will happen), there may be many episodes in which we will find absolutely nothing. But isn't it the thrill of the hunt that we all find exhilarating? All team members have experience with the paranormal. Perhaps not as extensive as all of you in some cases, but a real passion for the subject.

I have never EVER removed anything from any site so as to hide anything to do with History of a Haunting. Here it is, in writing, by me: Nathan Chamberland.

As for CGI, if you have seen the trailer, you will have noticed the spinning H. As hard as I have tried, I cannot get a ghost to produce that spinning logo for me. So, I am forced to employ a superb graphics professional to make that a reality.

I personally wrote, "The greatest Canadian paranormal series on the planet". ;) Isn't it fun to dream? Isn't it even more fun to be so proud of your team and your project and get up every day with the feeling that you are doing something great? Something so interesting? So exhilarating? Yes. I wrote that.

As for me, I have had 14 years experience ghost hunting on my own and with friends. I have never stopped doing it, because I love it. I have been completely immersed in the world of metaphysics, quantum mechanics and mysticism for a very long time. I am also a Rosicrucian. I have written musical scores for many diverse films and productions, and continue to. I have made several films and videos for corporate productions and others. Isn't it just fabulous that I actually get to combine ALL of my loves into one? I think it is.

Essentially, what we are doing is loving life and experiencing our own passion for the paranormal. Hype is hype. Show business is show business. But when it comes right down to it, all of us right here love the paranormal. Why don't we respect each other and help each other? In the end, this is all that matters. Isn't it?

In closing, I would like to say once again that I loved your blog post and I thank you for it. You did your job well, and your research, though a bit off the mark, was sound. May I have permission to post a link to this blog on our facebook site?

Please keep up the great work and if you ever have any questions, please feel free to email me at HistoryOfAHaunting@gmail.com and I will do my best to answer them.
Stay tuned, everyone, as we will be announcing the new team leader on May 15th.

Sincerely,

Nathan Chamberland

P.S. Oh I almost forgot. We have never EVER sent out a call for a horror writer. This is completely fabricated. Whoever is doing that sure is creative though! ;)
Actually, it's really funny. After I googled HH, I noticed so many posts claiming to be HH in various places that were not made by us! All with our email as the contact! Some people's children! What are ya gonna do, eh? ;)

Permalink 04/29/09 @ 14:41

Comment from: Maria [Visitor]

You never did address why you are billing yourself as a COMEDY!!

Permalink 04/29/09 @ 15:35

Comment from: Maria [Visitor]

And HH has been around longer than your concept. They are Haunted Hamilton!

Permalink 04/29/09 @ 15:44

Comment from: Craig [Visitor]

This was posted on the site you referred all of us to:

"Listen folks.. I tried to undo the mistake that I have done... this teaser trailer should be in a drama or reality TV category. I submitted this awhile back to try and help the guys...
and I put it in the wrong category!
No big subversive meaning to this:) just a big mistake made trying to helps some friends out.
The people working on this series are very dedicated to their work and trying very hard to keep it very real."

Please refer to this page and scroll down:
http://digg.com/comedy/History_of_a_Haunting_Teaser_Trailer

Permalink 04/29/09 @ 15:59

Comment from: Janine Smyte [Visitor]

Maria - perhaps it's not a comedy.

"Listen folks.. I tried to undo the mistake that I have done... this teaser trailer should be in a drama or reality TV category. I submitted this awhile back to try and help the guys...
and I put it in the wrong category!
No big subversive meaning to this:) just a big mistake made trying to helps some friends out.
The people working on this series are very dedicated to their work and trying very hard to keep it very real."

- taken from the digg.com site.

Is this statement true? Who knows. But I will say that I'm absolutely entertained by the apparent "I read it on the internet and so it must be true" naivety of these posts. It's laughable really.

Permalink 04/29/09 @ 16:12

Comment from: Maria [Visitor]

Thanks for clarifying Craig! Honesty is always appreciated :-)

Permalink 04/29/09 @ 16:12

Comment from: Janine Smyte [Visitor]

Oops...Craig - you beat me to it. Good show!

Permalink 04/29/09 @ 16:13

Comment from: Sue [Member]

Maria -> You are correct that anyone who Googles HH and certainly has an interest in the paranormal in Ontario will know that HH has been used for I think just over 10 years now by Haunted Hamilton. HH is Haunted Hamilton.

Craig -> BornOfSpirit wrote to us to let us know she made an error in posting this. She was/is trying to help these people.

Nathan -> Thank you for taking the time to write. I will allow Matthew to answer as it is his article.

However where you write:

"But when it comes right down to it, all of us right here love the paranormal. Why don't we respect each other and help each other? In the end, this is all that matters. Isn't it?"

NO it does not. What matters is that these topics and those people who actually experience them be treated respectfully. Too often show biz has mocked, ridiculed, gone for the cheap thrill and giggle and pandered to the lowest common denominator while forgetting that to most who believe "ghosts & hauntings" are the spirits of dead human beings. And for that alone the topic must be treated with dignity, integrity, and honesty. That is what matters. Not show biz, not ratings, not cheap hype..

Permalink 04/29/09 @ 16:15

Comment from: Maria [Visitor]

All of Matthew's initial claims have screen capture's as back up. The ad that was brought to my attention was from a secondary source and that was stated above. Was the ad real or was it just removed from the original site? Its up to you to decide.

Permalink 04/29/09 @ 16:27

Comment from: Sue [Member]

Maria -> Nathan Chamberland himself did not deny anything we said above (with the exception of what your friend saw and was removed) because he knows it is true. All his statement does is try to justify it, and he knows that even bad publicity is still publicity. Show biz remember.

Janine Smyte -> So we are supposed to question what we see on the internet, BUT not so-called reality tv? That casts for actors? Interesting logic you have. I saw it on "reality tv" so it must be true ...huh? But the internet, that sucks. Bet you work in show biz!

As for Maria's belief in the possibility it was comedy it is because (and our regular readers know this) at the beginning of the year the Comedy Network was trying to put together a "reality" paranormal show. She thought this show might be it. I don't fault her.

Permalink 04/29/09 @ 16:33

Comment from: Janine Smyte [Visitor]

Thank you for the empowerment Maria! I will decide. I think I will decide to to a couple of things. First I am going to decide to make sure I have all the facts before I run off and make accusatory remarks. Second, I think I'll actually check out the show when it's released and make my judgments based on something that I have actually experienced for myself.

But, that's just me. :D

Permalink 04/29/09 @ 16:45

Comment from: The Bus Man [Visitor]

Where to start... where to start... Hmmm...

Lessee...

Being one of those horrid "literal" types, allow me to quote, verbatim, your response and comment when necessary! :)

I would first like to congratulate Matthew for a fantastic and well-researched article. You are a wonderful writer and I look forward to reading more from you.

Well, I've been known to dabble with the written word now and again... but hey, thanks for the compliment... even if, in all honesty, I have a kind of odd feeling about it... and no, I'm not interested in writing for any television programs, thanks!

I would like to start off by saying that you are right, we did send a casting call out to casting agents and the like. The purpose, as I'm sure you can understand, was to get a lot of attention and bodies present,

Ah! So the casting call was bogus! It was a cheap way of advertising on a small scale! Gotcha!

Gotta feel bad for anyone who turned up hoping for the part, though...

...as we held an open and public casting session, while also finding the best person for the job. That person will not be an actor, but he/she will be comfortable in front of the camera and will have the necessary skills lead a team.

Oh, so it WAS real... but it wasn't for an actor... like was suggested by the ad... and it was just for a team lead... which is odd when you're "hiring" through an acting casting call...

So far, credibility is not one of the strong suits of this production.

This person will also possess experience with the paranormal and know what they are doing. Let's face it, it's not easy to find the perfect person in this field. It is even harder to find a dedicated individual.

So, you put out an acting cattle-call for actors that aren't frumpy... BUT... what you were REALLY looking for was someone with a butt-load of actual experience in the field...

Wouldn't this be like going to a hockey equipment store to purchase a loaf of bread?

...and what about the bit where it says experience isn't necessary? Was that another fib? More clever advertising?

I'm a bit confused... and heck, I have a college education in marketing!

Personally, I want to see a person who is caring and sincere and can react well with what may or may not happen.

Ah... okay... this confuses the issue even more... but let's sally forth, shall we?

Yes, it is true that we would prefer a leader with SOME physical appeal. This IS show business, after all.

Y'know, this is the SAME argument I give all the time about my chosen study!

Actually, I give the same argument for my vocation too... medical systems technician... well, not medical systems technician, but "show business person"... same thing, right?

Well, getting back to mine... and many other readers here... study of choice... show business.

I mean, I've spent more than half my life reading about show business... and almost a dozen years running a show business website that's fairly well known in the study... and have been published several times because of my show business papers and my show business articles... not to mention when people contact us because show business is worrying to them or they need to know more about show business.

...oh, wait a second... NOT show business... sorry... I meant paranormal studies!

Silly me for mistaking the two!

Oh my! It seems you've done the same thing!

Interestingly enough, we had all kinds of diverse people come to the auditions. Some large, some small, some older, some younger. I think you will be pleasantly surprised with our choice when it will be released on {{OBLIGATORY ATTEMPT AT SELF PROMOTION}}

Well, provided they're fit and not frumpy... that would be awful!

It is interesting, to say the least, that our top four contenders are not actors at all.

Funny that, when you state clearly that you don't want union folks.

As for HH being a fake show, please allow me to clarify:
Every single event that happens on-camera is 100% authentic.

Right down to the actors and character development!

We have a script supervisor in place, but only for the host that will be presenting the show. There will be no scripts for the team.

So ad libbing... because you did mention character development.

Heck, ad libbing's fine! It's only show business after all!

So, in essence (and I am sure this will happen), there may be many episodes in which we will find absolutely nothing.

Really?

Hmmm...

Strong expressive communication skills. Must possess the ability to improv and have a solid on-camera presence. Previous acting experience is preferred.

...and...

casting for an individual that exudes charisma, emotion, quick wit and reactions (emphasis tail waggingly mine,)

...not to mention...

These are real people, real situations, real hauntings. REAL RESULTS.

Seems like you feel there IS a foregone conclusion by this statement...

Are we "optimistic"... or ???

All team members have experience with the paranormal.

Hang on... I know it's here somewhere... ah yes!

You wanted someone who fits the description...

Has some knowledge of the paranormal.

Apparently, this means "experience WITH"?

Perhaps not as extensive as all of you in some cases, but a real passion for the subject.

Has some knowledge of the paranormal..... Yeah, that's how it reads.

I have never EVER removed anything from any site so as to hide anything to do with History of a Haunting.

Once bitten, twice shy... When we "critique", we always maintain evidence... just in case... no disrespect intended.

As for CGI, if you have seen the trailer, you will have noticed the spinning H. As hard as I have tried, I cannot get a ghost to produce that spinning logo for me. So, I am forced to employ a superb graphics professional to make that a reality.

This must be from someone else above... because I mentioned NOTHING about CGI in my article...

At least, I hope it was mentioned elsewhere... or your covering tracks not yet laid!

I personally wrote, "The greatest Canadian paranormal series on the planet". ;) Isn't it fun to dream?

...while advertising a "good or service"?

No.

It's misleading.

Isn't it even more fun to be so proud of your team and your project and get up every day with the feeling that you are doing something great? Something so interesting? So exhilarating? Yes. I wrote that.

Then wait for evidence to make the claim. The words, "I believe" or "In my opinion" would serve you well and avoid the problem...

As for me, I have had 14 years experience ghost hunting on my own and with friends.

EXCELLENT! Where can I read your papers and reports?

I have been completely immersed in the world of metaphysics, quantum mechanics and mysticism for a very long time.

Really? What does that have to do with ghosts and hauntings? Are you reporting a single hypothesis for causation?

Quantum mechanics!!! EXCELLENT AGAIN! Please, what are of mechanics area you immersed in? I'd be interested to read or hear your interpretation of the Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen paradox... or perhaps a discussion of the works of Erwin Schrödinger... or Werner Heisenberg... or Neils Bohr?

I am also a Rosicrucian. I have written musical scores for many diverse films and productions, and continue to. I have made several films and videos for corporate productions and others.

All excellent qualifications for a paranormal investigator... or a neurosurgeon... or butcher... or baker... or candlestick maker... or a gas station attendant, really...

Isn't it just fabulous that I actually get to combine ALL of my loves into one? I think it is.

...by producing a faux-not-faux show about a study I've devoted a large part of my life to and have tried to contribute to the understanding in any way I can?

...by "advertising" reality TV that really, Really, REALLY doesn't seem to have too much to do with reality?

Oh yeah, fabulous.

Essentially, what we are doing is loving life and experiencing our own passion for the paranormal.

...while trampling over witnesses and doing what seems to be a mockumentary... or not... or yes... or... oh, I'm so confused!

Hype is hype. Show business is show business. But when it comes right down to it, all of us right here love the paranormal. Why don't we respect each other and help each other? In the end, this is all that matters. Isn't it?

Well, I suppose if I was in show business, I'd agree... but I'm actually not...

No...

My name is Matthew James Didier and I'm a paranormal researcher, author, and investigator... I don't play one on TV.

I'm too frumpy even if I wanted to.

I don't mind if others wish to do television... but...

When they hire an actor to "pretend" to do our work and be a leader in this field with only a "suggestion" in the cattle-call for this actor that "some interest" in the field is a bonus...

...and while masquerading as legitimate group with a legitimate leader, they are soliciting to assist to people (you specified "families" to be precise,) who are so stressed out enough to seek some form of assistance for their issues, this "fake team with a fake leader" are obviously more interested in filming these people for their own fame and profit then anything else and have the slight stench of "faking" their results...

...then they "sell" themselves as "real" in their press releases and whatnot... but then, in places like this... when questioned... with people like you... pretty much admit they are fraudulent which honestly show you are obviously more concerned about tinsel then substance in a field of study that so many are interested in...

Call me odd, but I'm not of a mood to be too helpful to someone who seems to fit that bill wonderfully.

In closing, I would like to say once again that I loved your blog post and I thank you for it. You did your job well, and your research, though a bit off the mark, was sound. May I have permission to post a link to this blog on our facebook site?

If you'd like, certainly... you may quote it... we do use Creative Commons though so please abide by those principles.

I'm sorry, but I remain not only unconvinced... but in all honesty, out of the now SEVEN "reality based" ghost TV shows of the same flavour vying for broadcast, your's honestly has come off as the worst with your casting call et al... perhaps a re-boot before operation would be in order... or an admission that it's either comedy (as noted,) or fiction.

Permalink 04/29/09 @ 16:51

Comment from: Janine Smyte [Visitor]

Hi Sue,
Actually the director did correct what was accused of him when he said "that person will not be an actor, but he/she will be comfortable in front of the camera and will have the necessary skills lead a team. This person will also possess experience with the paranormal and know what they are doing. Let's face it, it's not easy to find the perfect person in this field. It is even harder to find a dedicated individual. Personally, I want to see a person who is caring and sincere and can react well with what may or may not happen."

Further, he appears to be looking for a CARING and SINCERE individual. But you're probably right - it's all glitz and glam.

I find his statement to be one of clarification and not justification. Perhaps your skills of interpretation need some work.

Sadly no, I don't work in show biz. I work with children - the most honest, open and non-judgmental people on the planet. It's refreshing to interact with individuals who actually see things for what they are rather than pretending to.

But, what do I know? I'm just a youth worker. Not a fancy paranormal investigator with my very own blog...

Permalink 04/29/09 @ 16:56

Comment from: Sue [Member]

Janine Smyte -> So you just surfed through here by complete coincidence, read through all of this, and you nor anyone you know are connected to this show? At all? Is that what you are saying?

I would be open to thinking my perception is off, but unfortunately for you several people read it exactly the same way I did.

Sorry, perhaps it is your perceptions that are biased for whatever reason. And perhaps if you were a "fancy" paranormal investigator you would actually care about this topic, and how it is presented, and be equally appalled.

Your very first comment had a nasty edge towards Maria, perhaps you need to learn something from those non-judgmental children you say you work with.

For the rest of you:

I think I'll use this on my Facebook profile, "Fancy Frumpy, and she blogs too"

Permalink 04/29/09 @ 17:09

Comment from: Maria [Visitor]

Not to worry about the nasty edge Sue, Janine makes me laugh and so does Nathan Chamberland.

(hmmm Comedy Network.. maybe?)

Permalink 04/29/09 @ 17:34

Comment from: Janine Smyte [Visitor]

Sue,
You make me laugh. Out loud actually if you want to know the truth. Of course I wasn't just "surfing through". I am from the community that the show is being produced in. While I don't actually know the people who are producing the show, I do know some of the people who have been approached by the show's staff and whom have permitted the staff of History of a Haunting to enter their home and document their experience. I do also know what a positive effect this show is having on our community as a whole - but you probably missed that part when conducting your "research".

I'm not perceiving anything because unlike you I have had a face to face conversation with a family who has had their true experience documented. When I asked these friends of mine how it went, they had nothing but glowing reviews and positivity. It would seem that the people you tout that need respect and dignity actually have been given this from the producers of this show - well at least that's what they told me. But again you're the one with the blog and all the information - excuse me, misinformation.

You're absolutely right about one thing though - I do need to learn something from my children. I should be more accepting of other people's very obvious mental weaknesses and not judge. I truly apologize for not accepting your difficulties better.

I have also just realized that I have engaged myself in something so pathetically juvenile and I'm appalled by my behavior. You see, I actually have a life that I can be proud of and relationships that are meaningful. I don't spend my entire life writing a meaningless and spiteful blog. Oops.

Permalink 04/29/09 @ 17:46

Comment from: Sue [Member]

Janine Smyte -> You amuse me too. And I won't delete this despite it violating our rules for commenting, because I want everyone who comes here to see what a petty, nasty, silly person you are.

Mr Chamberland displayed FAR, FAR more class than you, and it is his show. Perhaps that is because he is in show biz, and understand critiques, and reviews.

We have a right to our opinion, which is backed up by evidence. If you don't like it nor share it you were welcome to either post your opinion or go away.

Instead you attacked people, and implied I suffer mental illness (very classy on your part - sarcasm intended) because you cannot win an argument any other way. The internet has a word for you and that is TROLL.

Your IP has been logged please govern yourself accordingly.

OOps!

Permalink 04/29/09 @ 18:01

Comment from: Matthew James Didier [Visitor]

Now, now...

Let's look at these comments...

But, what do I know? I'm just a youth worker. Not a fancy paranormal investigator with my very own blog...

So... If a "reality" television show did a program on youth workers, solicited for troubled youth and families to broadcast on their big show (that they claimed was THE BIGGEST BESTEST MOSTEST COOLEST SHOW EVAH!!!), and then said the team would be headed up by an actor they were hiring (blindly in a cattle call) who wouldn't be "frumpy"... and, with some understanding of the subject, you didn't recognise any of the "root cast" and noticed they adhered to only ONE form of possible help for these kids... and PROMISED results... thus showing your vocation and interest could be done by a non-union actor trained in a few weeks, you'd be okay with that?

AS a youth worker, you're OKAY with the solicitation of families in distress over (possibly perceived) issues causing them stress enough to contact people about it?

Man, you must suck at your job if this is okay with you.

I do also know what a positive effect this show is having on our community as a whole - but you probably missed that part when conducting your "research"...

Really?

How much cash have they infused thus far and for what... and to whom? We do have MANY friends in the Niagara Region... and St. Kitts was my old stomping grounds in some ways... and yet, not a trickle of information sent to me at all about this... Odd that.

Also, they say they aren't limited to one community... so when they're gone, are you gonna be ticked?

What about those people who are worried and stressed and reached out for help to assist them who may not have access to the 'net or the like... should they not contact the agencies and groups that would help them for free without turning their issue into a side-show for the viewing public...? ...oh, and who REALLY profits from that side-show? The community? My goodness! That's a lot of paycheques!

I'm not perceiving anything because unlike you I have had a face to face conversation with a family who has had their true experience documented.

We've only had conversations with literally hundreds (almost a full thousand) of people in similar situations... granted, without helping someone make a buck producing a broadcast television program... and oddly enough, most of them did NOT want to be "On TV Like a Big Star!" and when they wanted money for their story, we usually suggested they contact other people as we're here to help, not to get paid by or FROM witnesses... but hey, perhaps there IS a place for this unreality television program after all!

But again you're the one with the blog and all the information - excuse me, misinformation.

Really?

Only one (1) (uno) (un) (une) (singular) fact was questioned... but hey, that must mean it's all lies... despite the producer saying it isn't... but what does he know? He's only the... um... PRODUCER.

You're absolutely right about one thing though - I do need to learn something from my children. I should be more accepting of other people's very obvious mental weaknesses and not judge. I truly apologize for not accepting your difficulties better.

Where do you work? We have friends who do work for provincial and regional social services... and this sort of statement is unbelievable from someone in your... profession... well, I have to doubt that.

I'm sure they'd LOVE to hear you denigrating people you don't agree with as mentally challenged!

I don't spend my entire life writing a meaningless and spiteful blog. Oops.

No, you spend your life (apparently) denigrating people with handicaps and fighting against statements that were said to be true by those directly involved...

...while this blog, and Sue's work... and the group's work... has been helping people and receiving kudos from everyone from The Spiritualist Church of Canada to Skeptics Canada... not to mention notices from literally educational and historical groups all over North America and Europe... including the Society for Psychical Research, The ASPR, University of Toronto, University of Michigan, Ryerson University...

I could go on...

Lady, if you wish to disagree with an initial assesment, fine... but use your reading skills and cite facts, not things you only wish to be true.

..and perhaps, JUST MAYBE... you might want to try not to be so denigrating. It's mean, pointless, shows intolerance, and in this case, is so far past the point of "wrong" as to be laughable.

Hmmm... methinks, if you're a "non-partisan fan who hasn't any stake in the program", perhaps the "comedy billing" wasn't a mistake?

Permalink 04/29/09 @ 18:41

Comment from: Stu [Visitor]

See what Matthew wrote there? That's one of the reasons I'm honoured to be a member of PSICAN.

I am proud (genuinely) of my fellow member's keen observations regarding this manner. It is of prime concern to us how the paranormal is portrayed in media that proclaims (falsely) that the content is real. In such cases, our opposition will be voiced (loudly).

We do this because we have GENUINE passion for the subject, integrity, sincerity. and also a definite and distinct lack of dollar signs for pupils. That's not "showbizz". that's something infinitely better.

Permalink 04/29/09 @ 18:50

Comment from: Sue [Member]

Matthew -> I too am concerned about any youths in the care of someone who would use mental handicaps as a weapon on the internet when they cannot debate or argue their point. Really if she is not lying about her job description her bosses or the parents of those kids really need to see this, and what happens when she disagrees with someone or gets frustrated.

Stuey -> You are wonderful, but still way too frumpy to be a "real" paranormal investigator! ;)

Permalink 04/29/09 @ 19:18

Comment from: Marc Fitkin [Visitor]

I would just like to say for the record that I am frumpy and proud of it.

I would also like to say I support all the hard work Sue, Matthew and all the rest at PSICAN do for the cause of honest and open investigation and no, they don't sell their souls to cheap *infotainment*.

I would say "I love you guys" but then it gets all mushy and I'm already frumpy...so...anyway.

Permalink 04/29/09 @ 19:42

Comment from: Stu [Visitor]

· http://mon.vipublog.com/demonstv/2009/04/19/history-of-a-haunting-reality-tv-casting-calls-auditions

Apparently, I'm good looking but you know, being in a wheelchair might be too unorthodox for the stagnant, out of touch, poop producer known as "showbizz". Besides, real charisma is deadly to tv execs and allowing it on set is strictly forbidden.

Permalink 04/29/09 @ 19:54

Comment from: Maria [Visitor]

Sue and Matthew have been around a very long time (I'm not claiming they are old...). I've uncovered books written in the 90's that make mention of their work...and also Matthew's family.

Rest assured the TV shows come and go but Sue and Matthew's legacy won't..

PSICAN are a diverse group and all is open for debate and not everybody agrees on everything all the time. That's what I admire about the group. Thank you Sue, Matthew, Chris and John M. for being who you are! I still have not met all of you but I look forward to some day.

Permalink 04/29/09 @ 19:55

Comment from: Robin Bellamy [Visitor]

Im a paranormal researcher/investigator and I often "play one on TV". I also consult on films, TV, and publicity for media regarding the paranormal.

Im neither fancy nor fit. Looking at me doesn't make anyone throw up, but I'd never be mistaken for an actress.

I am, fortunately, well respected by both novices and some experts. People often solicit my opinions.

Im exactly what this show should seek to portray.

It doesn't. It won't. I'd put money on it.

And what network has purchased this? Or is this just another "Canada's Most Haunted"?

Permalink 04/29/09 @ 20:33

Comment from: Bea Lendall [Visitor]

http://mon.vipublog.com/demonstv/2009/04/19/history-of-a-haunting-reality-tv-casting-calls-auditions/

They are also casting for an Influence Explorer with a "brave on camera aura"

Any takers?

Permalink 04/29/09 @ 23:12

Comment from: itsasecret [Visitor]

I just may have to bare the heat for this one,boy have i got a story to tell.
I was the original "seer' for History of a haunting.
I'am as authentic as it comes,i was also devoted and dedicated to our team,however i was let go after filming for the second time.
I was let go because i'am presumably frumpy,being over 200 pounds.
Wait...let me quote the words,you just didn't look good on camera.
I don't want to attack certain people in that show,each of those people are human beings and many of them i enjoyed very much,i admitt i was back stabbed quite hard.
They took an idea,a great idea into something that could have been great and totally turned it into a fabrication,i watched the fabricating right before my eyes,i even said that i would refuse to do any acting or even lean into anything unreal.
UNREAL it became.
I asked why i was let go,when a large man bigger then i was staying with the show?,it was simply put that he was in fact a great actor.
I was quite disappointed when i heard about the casting call,thats not real at all,and i believe that this team is now making a mockery out of families and individuals that they involve.
My intent is not to attack,or sabbotage their show,truth is here that people really can become aggravated or insulted after production.
Although on a better note:i did enjoy meeting new people and i loved the exsperience,but i think i'll go back to doing private readings.
I'm sorry to the ones that i have offended by my telling the truth,but the truth is there is still some cat left in the bag.

Permalink 04/30/09 @ 00:04

Comment from: Stu [Visitor]

itsasecret - Thanks for your interesting post. I will let Matthew or Sue reply to you first, as it's their blog.

Bea - Thanks for the link. It appears to be babelfish translation from French for some reason. "Influence Explorer" would mean lead explorer.

Permalink 04/30/09 @ 02:27

Comment from: Craig [Visitor]

From Craig Misener
Producer, Director of Photography for Sonic Myst Labs (Makers of “History of a Haunting”)

This is a reply to the post made by “itsasecret”.

Your screen name is, in fact, not enough to hide who you actually are.
I know who you are and I'm appalled at the post you have left on this blog.

There are people with concerns and comments about our show that have made accusations about our integrity based on what they have perceived from some of our postings online.
These people live and breath paranormal research. It is their lively-hood and I can respect them for standing up and speaking out against something they feel will undermine or tarnish the image and perception of everything they have worked so hard to achieve.
That being said, I have a problem with anyone questioning my integrity both on a personal and professional level.
No one on this site has any knowledge of myself or my colleagues beyond what you have read from online postings for a casting call. You have all, in my opinion, jumped to some very very incorrect conclusions.
I do not blame most of you for this as I can understand being passionate about something and fearing others will try to mock or belittle it.
All I can offer to you is that I am not someone that would ever put a price tag on my integrity or conscience (or that of our clients). We have strict guidelines and rules for everyone involved in the production of this show to be sure that the clients image, location and good name are left in good standing.
I WILL NOT, for any reason, allow my good name to be tainted for the sake of a TV show. I refuse to have any part in a show that will falsify or “create” paranormal activity. We are not here to make fools of our clients or people from any area of paranormal research.

However, the post from “itsasecret”, is slander.
This “seer” was let go (or fired if you prefer) because it was found that she was a fraud.
I understand this person being hurt. No one likes to be “let go”. For the sake of the show's integrity it was decided that we could not allow this person around our clients.
We have strict rules for our psychics to be sure they have no prior knowledge of our clients, their properties or whatever paranormal activity they may be experiencing.
This “seer”, however, would question clients about every aspect we were there to research and then later claim that she had used her “abilities” to gain said information.
On top of that, this person caused a great amount of trouble within the cast. It was after every other cast member brought up concerns, with Mr. Chamberland and myself, about “itsascecret's” actions and integrity that we were forced to part ways with them.

I have read and followed this blog for the better part of today and, as I said, can understand how you may all have real concerns about what we are doing.

To Sue and Matthew, I ask that you respectfully and promptly remove “itsasecret's” posting and block any further postings from their IP address so as to keep the integrity of of your blog intact.

On a very disheartening note, I fear that if “itsasecret” does not stop slandering my productions good name and that of myself and my colleagues, I will be forced to pursue legal action.
“itsasecret's” post is nothing short of slander and a childish attempt to harm those that offended her.

Contrary to what most of you think about our show, we have only the best intentions. A lot of people from Niagara Falls are supporting us in this endeavor and we owe it to our fans, sponsors and business partners to keep driving ahead.

All the best to everyone involved with Sue and Matthew. Please keep up the good work.

Most Humbly Yours,

Craig Misener

Permalink 04/30/09 @ 03:07

Comment from: Matthew James Didier [Visitor]

...and now we tread into new territory... sadly, again, familiar to us.

To Mr. Misener...

I read through the post by "itsasecret" and in no way was it slander... in fact, as we all know, as it's written in a blog, it would have to be considered "libel"... but that again would be in the eye of the beholder.

Realistically, our only evidence that "itsasecret" is being untruthful is your word... and as you see from the person who uses the same computer as yourself (Nathan Chamberland, provided he too is being honest,) this could be problematic for us as we're not secure, with reason and secured evidence as well as demi-official comments here,) in your company's integrity.

That said, we also have no reason to think that you're not being honest with us.

To that end, it leaves us in a quandary...

The post, as it stands, seems to be backed up by what we found (and have evidence of,) and you seem to admit that this person, who you know but we don't, was let go and therefore you do or did have some "relation" to them...

Now, unless "itsasecret" is under a non-disclosure agreement (of which we can be privy under the rules and regulation of the IPC and Ontario Privacy Act pertaining to access of post employment information (Ontario FIPPA) OR was terminated from employment in accordance with The Employment Standards Act, (2000) where the reason, on the termination documents are given as not dealing with physical appearance (which one would hope was a given, unless as an "entertainment company" you were exempt from The Ontario Human Rights Code - Chapter H.19, Part II... which can be very tricky as you know to deal with, we are not obliged or under any legal recourse to remove or delete the posting.

That said, we will leave your comment up as well allowing people to make up their own judgement on the situation.

Now that I've dealt with the business end of things (and boy, doesn't ten plus years of writing and publishing online material teach you WAY too much about these things!!!) allow me to address one more item...

I WILL NOT, for any reason, allow my good name to be tainted for the sake of a TV show. I refuse to have any part in a show that will falsify or “create” paranormal activity. We are not here to make fools of our clients or people from any area of paranormal research.

If you mean this, I strongly recommend that you do two things very carefully...

#1: Re-read our post here.

#2: Re-read Mr. Chamberland's comment... and my rebuttal.

You might be a little concerned with what has been done, what is being done, and how it's being presented...

To give you a hint, don't worry, it's all about showbiz.

Permalink 04/30/09 @ 06:59

Comment from: Bea Lendall [Visitor]

Why was the location of the Private Residence posted on the Internet?

That displays disrespect to the homeowners and those who truthfully investigate with integrity.

Especially when in a different posting from the makers of this YouTube video suggest they cannot give out any details of the location.

Perhaps your "Business Partners" would like to know that they may be in a legal mess. Surely, as an investor I would like to know that confidentiality documents have not been breached.

The show-business is not as easy as it seems. Owning an HD camera does not make you a filmmaker. Nor does it make you an expert on the paranormal.

Consider this: if you cannot make a product that is even somewhat liked by those you are trying to sell to then you have a problem. I would consider going back to your scriptwriter/supervisor and marketing team.

Permalink 04/30/09 @ 10:13

Comment from: Craig [Visitor]

Hi Bea,
I was hoping you would be so kind as to tell me where I might find this posting of my clients address.

To my knowledge we have only ever mentioned the name of the town our client lived in.

Thanks in advance,

Craig Misener

Permalink 04/30/09 @ 11:42

Comment from: itsasecret [Visitor]

I like how after i speak my words,i get attacked on facebook by a member of the team,if i'am being threatened,maybe i should be the one pressing charges.
I like the way my concerns ended up being turned around,the accusations are endless i guess,and i haven't even said the worse.I like how you say i'm a fraud...bogus!I would also like to hear the complaints that made against me,again also bogus.
Everything has been turned around in an attempt to make me look bad.
Not to mention that i was not compensated for the days i was there,nor did i sign any documentation.

Permalink 04/30/09 @ 12:10

Comment from: Creepy Bastard [Visitor]

Craig/Nathan

Don’t let the gleaming sword and angel-white plumage of his wings fool you. Matthew’s crusade is strictly focused on the faithless heathens that tread wantonly through his ghost-patch.

All that clever turn-the-tables back on your groupie Janine was designed to make her feel stupid and intellectually out of her depths.

Come closer; I’ll let you in on a little secret.

(Matthew could care less about Janine and the youths she works with. They don’t actually have anything to do with the paranormal…)

His responses, sound and accurate as they are, tend to ooze with far too much pretentiousness.

His posts are designed to not only point out why he thinks you are an idiot, but to also stab his salty fingers into the cuts to make sure you know you have been insulted.

This is a tactic that pre-dates the internet. One that has been used ad-nauseam by every BBS nerd from here to Ethiopia.

It’s meant to annoy you, much in the same way Iraqi children with stones are meant to annoy US Marines, goading them into using lethal force to teach them a lesson.

But we all know what happens when the safeties are flicked off. That’s when all the running and crying and pointing starts.

As planned.

This isn’t a back alley where you would be able to watch as you make him choke down those big boots he likes to clomp around in.

So my advice to you is to quit while you are still able.

You are way out of your element here. All you will end up doing is making yourself look stupider and stupider.

I am not condemning Matthew for his big-man-behind-the-blog schtick.

Actually, I applaud his skills. He does it well and should continue to do so. I am just pointing out this fact because I am well acquainted with the technique. I too have been involved in plenty of macho flame wars.

I was quite the gladiator in my day (if I do say so myself).

In fact, my concerns for topics outside this field also take a dramatic downturn in terms of giving-a-crap. Much in the same way Christopher Reeves wouldn’t have even known how to spell paraplegic until AFTER he fell off the horse.

But that wouldn’t stop me from tsk-tsking someone who would poke fun at someone like that - even though it was totally irrelevant to the topic at hand (and my own personal indifference to it).

That being said;

I would like to chime in on the topic of; How Obviously Misleading is the concept of History of a Haunting?

No one would say a word if your show was advertised as a work of pure fiction; which it obviously is.

No one here, or on any forum, regardless of how venomous their contempt for you and your show are, would work to stop you from producing your production.

No petitions will be signed.
No protests will be held (conserving water for the hoses and rubber bullets for the half-track mounted twin 50-cals.).
No obstacles what so ever.

So don’t fret over the comments. Carry on and produce your little reality show.

I am part of a paranormal group in and around Niagara Falls. It is our turf, but we won’t switch-blade fight your for it if we catch you trespassing.

For fear of looking like a frumpy attention whore, I won’t identify our group.

But any half-assed search attempt will harvest results.

We take pride in our research and our integrity to the field.

All the points raised here are valid and make sense. People are tired of the crap that passes for paranormal TV shows. It’s all sensationalized garbage that frequently veers off into pointless subplots.

I am also a filmmaker by hobby. I have written and filmed a number of short, crappy films and have also worked on larger productions with genuine talent.

There is definitely a thrill in the idea of combining both of these passions, so I do understand where Nathan is coming from.

The trick is how to do it so you are doing your best to be honest to yourself and to the paranormal field.

Based on your cattle calls (I like this, so I am using it), I can tell what your motivation is.

You can’t bullshit a bullshitter.

I’ve read your cattle calls (I did it again, and I have no remorse) and all I can tell you is; if it walks like a duck and if it quacks like a duck… it’s a duck.

You are not interested in the integrity of the field. You are not motivated to take the high road.

I know this because I straddle both these fields. The moment I contemplate adding actors, improv artists, horror writers, script supervisors, etc, I become fully aware that my purpose is to misrepresent.

Some people may say that you are only fooling yourselves. I disagree. You are fully aware that you are lying.

Can you honestly say that the guy in your YouTube trailer was honestly being held down on the bed by a demon?

Or was he re-enacting it?

Nothing I said here is profound or a surprise. I could have avoided posting at all, but where is the fun in that? Especially when I watch everyone else quickly dart out from behind Matthew and take manly stiletto jabs at the HH Team carcass.

Permalink 04/30/09 @ 12:24

Comment from: Matthew James Didier [Visitor]

I don't know if I'm highly insulted... or completely chuffed!

Either way, had I the funds, I'd be offering "Creepy Bastard" a job as my PR representative!

Indeed, I was doling out the rope unabashedly... but...

I do take one item to somewhat task...

No one here, or on any forum, regardless of how venomous their contempt for you and your show are, would work to stop you from producing your production.

No petitions will be signed.
No protests will be held (conserving water for the hoses and rubber bullets for the half-track mounted twin 50-cals.).
No obstacles what so ever.

Wellllllll...

Indeed, the horses are stabled... and the ammo is back ordered with the QM... and petitions aren't on my list of things to do...

BUT...

Although the adage "Controversy Equals Cash" may hold sway in some sectors, it does not help when dealing with historic sites and museums think controversy is at the door... 'cuz in showbiz, absolutely... in history and governmental departments, no dice... thus limiting places to work with... y'know... if word gits around.

NOT that I would do that meself... but our readers and friends do stray into these fields...

Oh, and with seven different shows asking for our help at the moment, we do know who's buyin' and who's shoppin'... and we do kibbitz with folks...

...but hey, honestly, you're right... I'm really a gentle soul and no, would never "restrain trade", as it were.

Now, where's my stiletto!

...or Claymore...

Oh, and it's REALLY not JUST my "ghost patch"... I occasionally take marching orders from others... take that as you will.

Permalink 04/30/09 @ 13:14

Comment from: Bea Lendall [Visitor]

Craig,

The town and surrounded area in question has a population under 17K.

You released full photos of the house, the cars in the driveway and the property. It doesn't take Eliot Ness to find it.

But wait, didn't you film later, at a different location, and pretend it was this house? This could add to the confusion.

For the sake of the family, please remove the photos and the town in question. And please, don't ask them for any more money.

Bea

Permalink 04/30/09 @ 13:17

Comment from: Celeste N Smith [Visitor]

Wow Matthew, I’m not sure if I should laugh, cry or get angry after reading your blog and the comments following. The subterfuge! The intrigue!
It was quite a rant, Rick Mercer would be proud.

There was one lone voice who mentioned that maybe it was premature to pan a show that no one had actually seen yet. All because the producers of said show wanted to find a host who had acting experience and was not “frumpy.” It was all very entertaining but in the end silly.
I should explain that I am a member of the HH facebook site and I have been waiting to see the show for some time. I am not a paranormal researcher nor do I claim to be. I am a writer of fiction *gasp however I do have some paranormal experience as my mother is a gifted psychic and medium. I have had many “supernatural” experiences both with her and the various groups she has belonged to over the years. So while I am just one of those horrid showbiz types, I do have some personal experience in this matter. I take offence at the attitude of this blog which seems to be that if you are an actor, writer, producer or in any way involved with the “showbiz” industry you have “no business” being involved with the paranormal. Did I miss that line in the union contract? I should stop signing things before I read them.
I was an actor in my youth, my 15 year old son Alex is also an actor.
He is an A student with a special interest in maths and science. I’m sure he could have an excellent conversation with you about quantum physics. I mention this because when I read the article to him he was very upset because it was an affront to his intelligence.
“Does he think actors are stupid:” he asked?
“I don’t know’ I told him.
(I think he may have also offered you his role in his latest production; “The Importance of Being Ernest” but I digress.)

He knows when he is being put down so to speak and while you might not have meant it in a direct way your sarcasm implied it. The trouble with sarcasm is that it is easily misinterpreted (I admit I am also guilty of this from time to time.) My point is actors just like paranormal researchers take their jobs very seriously. It is hard work and not easy and thoughtless as you suggest.
I think it IS possible to teach someone to do this, especially if they have had personal connection like me. Is there some sort of test or qualification to be a paranormal investigator?
No, there is not.
So I ask you why can’t an actor be one? Is it the love of everything strange and unexplained in this world what binds you together as a society or is it the desire to have an elitist group where one has to have “the right qualifications”? I truly hope it is the later because you keep repeating that fact in your article like a mantra.
I met one the founding members of the Durham Paranormal Society a couple months back. Nice guy, we had a great conversation where I told him about some of the great sites in Niagara he should discover with his group. No degree though, he had a regular day job. He just loved ghosts.

I live and work in Niagara. I both support and am a part of the local arts and music scene. I too know a lot of people sir, and I have never seen you at any benefit, live taping, concert or art opening. I have however seen the members of HH attend all of theses things. They live and work in the community as well. They hold meetings (and my god yes, casting calls) at a non for profit arts studio/cafe and they promote its importance to the public. These things are valuable to us. The arts community in our small city is a fragile one; our downtown is being rebuilt into a centre for artists to which this company is an integral part. Discrediting this group is a slap in the face to our efforts. It is with ignorance that you say they have no value but to themselves.
Here are some of the exciting things going on downtown, hope you'll visit us one day:

http://www.fourtriplefive.com

http://www.celebrateolddowntown.com

Oh and by the way, my son said he would like to have a ride to school in that Oscar Meyer wiener car, he says it’s awesome.

Thanks for your time,
Celeste N Smith,
Show Biz Type.

POSTSCRIPT: I look forward to the blow by blow dissection of my note by the way, while it is slightly pretentious it is also very funny

Permalink 04/30/09 @ 13:26

Comment from: Matthew James Didier [Visitor]

{{Devil's Advocate Mode On}}

Hey Bea...

If the current owner, tenant, caretaker, or manager of the property has given express consent for the use of the home's image in any form, it's perfectly okay...

One wonders, however, as you kinda pointed out... what if you're the neighbour?

As stated, and seen in cases in the United States and Quebec, if an individual or a group publish "damaging" information* about a property that devalues the re-sale value, they can be successfully sued for damages as the property has become "stigmatized"...

* - Yes, being considered "haunted" is damaging as it will turn off many prospective buyers AND often leads to vandalism and trespassing by thrill seekers...

That is... unless the information was public before the publication/presentation of the article in question (ie: the story was already "out there" in a previous published format and sources cited/citable,) or the current "publisher" has the express permission, again, of the legal owner/care taker of the property...

...but...

...being the NEIGHBOUR of "The Haunted House"?

One has to assume that this, too, could have ramifications on property values and general public peace for the tenants of owners of those properties...

It's never been tested, as far as I know, but I wonder...

If a house is for sale that is situated beside a house that was deemed by a media outlet of ANY sort (book, movie, documentary, faux-reality TV show...) and even a partial image of said home is displayed... AND a potential purchaser backs off because of it's proximity to the "haunted house"... could those people seek damages...?

Legally, I would assume that IF any portion of their property is displayed in an image connected to the "haunted house", the answer would be yes... and therefore, it COULD be considered stigmatized without consent.

It's not a given... but one would have to assume this is correct.

I love it when something in one direction spawns a good question in another! :)

Permalink 04/30/09 @ 13:41

Comment from: Sue [Member]

· http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/dayton-news/website-ordered-to-pay-125000-over-haunted-mill-claim-83396

Celeste N Smith -> No matter how intelligent, no matter, how talented (and he is) George Clooney is -> he is not a medical doctor, he is not licensed to practice medicine, and I personally would not let him operate on me. If you do not get that, than everything Matthew has said is lost on you.

And yes, an actor can be a great investigator, but like everything experience in the field does matter, and a team lead should have at least read one book on the topic not just looked cute on camera.

As for events we do support the arts in T.O BUT we are primarily paranormal investigators therefore when in Niagara we tend to support local haunted spots such as Fort George.

http://www.friendsoffortgeorge.ca/ghost.htm

The fact that you'll find us at one, and the HH team supporting the other tells volumes about their priorities with this. Thank you for pointing that out.

And for the last time HH is Haunted Hamilton! People who even have a mild interest in the paranormal in this province know that.

Creepy Bastard -> Next time we are in Niagara can I buy ya beer :)

Permalink 04/30/09 @ 13:47

Comment from: Bea Lendall [Visitor]

To my knowledge nothing was signed. Pity for both parties.

But correct you are, it could lead to a mess of legal matters if one was to pursue. And investors, business partners and even the "showbiz type" shy away from projects that could possible end up in court or cause at the very least poor publicity.

Of course their laws are not out laws, but follow this link:

httpWebsite ordered to pay $125,000 over ‘haunted’ mill claim

The damages claimed included: $1,921 for an invisible fence; $1,710 for private security; $27,606 for diminished value to the property from rumors it is haunted; $57,217 in legal fees; $6,340 in litigation expenses; and $35,000 for the dog.

www.daytondailynews.com/news/dayton-news/website-ordered-to-pay-125000-over-haunted-mill-claim-83396.html

Before anyone jumps into "showbiz" with a borrowed camera and an idea, they should truly learn the biz first.

The end result is the family has to deal with the after-thoughts of the showbiz. And like you pointed out, what of the neighbors? The community? Fenwick is small, very, very small.

Accountability comes to mind.

Permalink 04/30/09 @ 13:52

Comment from: Meowgordon [Visitor]

Okay, are they going to cast the ghosts too? This is pure unadulterated bullshit. I have, in my long life, worked as an actor, its a fun job. But it has nothing to do with investigating the Paranormal. The skill set for both jobs do not coincide. What would be a more interesting and honest show would be to profile the various paranormal groups in Canada and the US, and follow along on an investigation with each team. You can still have the HOT host and a host of REAL quirky characters( the Paranormal world is filled with them), and there are some pretty gnarly ghosts out there. We're not all that cute, but we are a pretty interesting, funny bunch of people. why dumb this down, the real thing is vastly more interesting.

Permalink 04/30/09 @ 13:56

Comment from: Matthew James Didier [Visitor]

Hello Celeste N Smith!

#1: Fictions fine... just don't pass it off as "real".

#2: They were not auditioning hosts, re-read it... they were auditioning a "team lead"... and while you're at it, read Nathan Chamberland's comments... and my rebuttal.

#3: We're not critiquing the quality of the program... we're arguing it is obviously NOT reality TV by the way things are looking... again, please re-read if this is not understood.

#4: Glad you find our passion for a study "silly".

#5: You CAN be in showbiz and be a good paranormal investigator... ask about and you'll find we have a couple of people on our team who make their living in entertainment... but oddly enough, they don't feel our team should be shown as "real" while we hire actors to pretend their real... AGAIN, read the casting call. I think you missed something there.

#6: Do we think actors are stupid? Obviously not... but I do think trying to start up a "reality TV show" and then showing you're going to remove a lot of the reality from it is stupid... and insulting.

#7: I am not "putting down" those involved with the show on any level... RE-READ and note I'm asking for clarification... Fiction vs. Reality... Honestly, please RE-READ the post, read Nathan Chamberland's commetns and my rebuttal. Half information is nothing to base a statement on.

#8: You asked if it's possible to train someone to be a paranormal investigator and researcher... answer by me, YES...
Train someone to be a team leader and paranormal investigator/researcher between now and May 15th where "past paranormal experience" was only a bonus? ... answer: Don't insult me or anyone here.

#9: Where would one get a degree in "ghosts"? I don't have one... and simply talking about ghosts does NOT require a degree... BUT TO OFFER HELP AND PASS YOURSELF OFF AS A TEAM LEAD requires SOME dues to be paid... unless, of course, you're not frumpy.

#10: Yeah, I'm not in the "art scene", (although I can and do have friends and experience in Toronto...) I'm in the HISTORICAL scene... because of folklore...
"Art" and "The Paranormal" for us are mutually exclusive topics.
Perhaps not to you... but me... and many others... yup.

#11: So, the show is "non-profit"! EXCELLENT! What's the charitable license number?

#12: Again, getting to the bottom of your post...

ART = PARANORMAL?

Thanks.

No.

It's history, folklore, spirituality and belief systems, and indeed, actual science...

...and although ONE could ARGUE that history and folklore and POSSIBLY spirituality CAN be interpretive, not when it's combined with witness data/first-hand experiences and scientific validation of possible causation.

Facts aren't really up for artistic interpretation... well, save philosophy.

THAT SAID... I'm CERTAINLY glad these members of the artistic community are passing themselves off as "real" paranormal investigators (casting calls and all... and READ them before commenting please...) and soliciting to HELP people who might be experiencing REAL (or even imagined, but that doesn't debase their experiences,) events and stress for a NON-PROFIT(?) venture.

After all, those of us who've been around LURVES us that sorta thing... paints us all in a very good light with the masses.

Wanna agree with ONE item?

CALL IT FICTION... fantasy... "not real"... and we're good!

It's the claim it's "real" and "reality"... aye, there's the rub!

Permalink 04/30/09 @ 14:01

Comment from: Matthew James Didier [Visitor]

Amendment: I'll take "BASED ON A TRUE STORY" as well instead of "reality" and "real".

Just FYI...

Permalink 04/30/09 @ 14:03

Comment from: Matthew James Didier [Visitor]

P.S. - I AM NOT PRETENTIOUS!

Ugh! Peasants!

Permalink 04/30/09 @ 14:09

Comment from: Sue [Member]

· http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/dayton-news/website-ordered-to-pay-125000-over-haunted-mill-claim-83396

Meowgordon -> Thank you for your comment. I think your idea would be a good one. I would definitely watch something like that, and you are right there is lots of excellent material already out there. I think that is one of the aspects that keeps me doing this, the interesting people I meet. It certainly would not be boring!

Permalink 04/30/09 @ 14:28

Comment from: Bea Lendall [Visitor]

Interested in hearing who is involved with the production?

Here's a radio interview with Nathan.

Funny as I recall in this blog it was stated by Nathan that "It is interesting, to say the least, that our top four contenders are not actors at all."

Now, go here and listen to the radio broadcast about who is in this show...

http://www.facebook.com/pages/History-of-a-Haunting/151865690371?sid=8545c5090e05900d2b9959c8d6889c59&ref=search#/pages/History-of-a-Haunting/151865690371

It's the MP3 link near the bottom left.

Hmmm, did he not mention the names and experience of the cast?

Permalink 04/30/09 @ 14:32

Comment from: Celeste N Smith [Visitor]

HEHE…this is fun…it’s distracted me from my book, but I am having a great time.
Mathew, I read the posts from the beginning to the end and this was my impression. I then read the posts to my son and he came to the same conclusion. Like I said sarcasm can be misinterpreted. I can only tell you about our personal experience with the blog …and I did.
Love it! Keep it coming!
P.S. Art and Science are NOT mutually exclusive. Just ask Da Vinci.

Permalink 04/30/09 @ 15:36

Comment from: Matthew James Didier [Visitor]

I must be missing the "Interpretive Dance Class" and "Creative Writing" courses needed for credit with a doctorate in astrophysics.

I could counter that with the concept that one needs to be a failed landscape painter to be an evil and reviled dictator and reference Hitler... but I shan't.

DaVinci is the very definition of a Renaissance Man (look it up)... are you TELLING us to believe this is the case here with this program... all evidence to the contrary?

...also, DaVinci never tried to actually build his "helicopter" or "tank"... and his scientific artwork was more famously about anatomical drawings... and call me odd, but I don't think he got "creative" about the internal organs, muscle structure, or general movement of the human form... he worked from "still life"... and one has to imagine, had he a Polaroid, he would have used it instead on these works. Looking through his writings and even his art, DaVinci knew there was a delineation between art and science.

Anyway, to quote myself...

It's history, folklore, spirituality and belief systems, and indeed, actual science...

...and although ONE could ARGUE that history and folklore and POSSIBLY spirituality CAN be interpretive, not when it's combined with witness data/first-hand experiences and scientific validation of possible causation.

Facts aren't really up for artistic interpretation... well, save philosophy.

Pray, where do I state a coverall that science and art do not mix at all?

I am aware, as a single example, that medical "science" is also called "medical arts"... and correctly so. The concept of imagination and creation are essential...

...but, it's not the SOLE part of science... kinda like DaVinci knew...

To remind, I said, again...

Facts aren't really up for artistic interpretation... well, save philosophy.

This is why actual historians do NOT think that "Braveheart" and "The Patriot" are documentaries... and get very cross with those who do.

Well, I'm sorry you read the sarcasm as a "personal attack"... Granted, misconstruing my sarcastic tone is NOT why I asked you to re-read the posts... finding out WHY I was sarcastic was...

I find it funny, however... I have gone after the idea... I've attacked the concept... I've slammed the hap-haphazardness of it all... and, although sarcasm was employed, I never called anyone "stupid", "silly", or the like...

On the other hand, you did.

I'm odd that way, mind you... I go after the data, not the personalities... I may deploy sarcasm and even cynicism to the fore to make my point... but again, if you look, it's about HOW things are being done... not who's doing them.

Either way, mine is an attack, quite rightly, on those masquerading as something who are actually pretending to be something.

Realistically, be it actors, butchers, bakers, or candlestick makers that are "cattle-called" to do this... if someone is thrust into a position where they are supposed to be helping REAL people in need who are stressed... and these people "cattle-called" are not truly trained nor have any real experience... and they do this for profit and fame... yeah, we've ALWAYS stood against that. Our position has not changed not varied...

Worse yet, when you've dealt with literally hundreds of distraught and worried families as we have... or have had to quell the fears of dozens of museums and historic sites as we have so you could work in them... to see ANYONE (regardless of their "day job",) being recruited as a "player" to "play" your part... then those responsible solicit families and sites to "assist" them... all the time being quite obviously (even moreso now with your information,) more interested in the "artistic aspect", fame (don't insult us and say that isn't an issue,) and profit.... well, gee... I wonder why our nose might be out of shape.

If you feel there's nothing wrong with having unskilled and untrained people soliciting people to "help" them... knowing, as you do, that it's really for art's (and fame and profit's) sake... feel free to visit me next time you're ill... really, I'm a brilliant surgeon... or am I??? I could JUST be acting!

Again, FICTION vs. REALITY... it's a tough concept, but I'm certain you'll get there.

Geez, it's folks like you who arm the trogladites with the whole, Children don't see a difference between fantasy and reality! Ban sex and violence from TV and movies! Ban video games! Censor music! because, as shown, you do not draw distinct delineations between the two.

AGAIN - People are being solicited for "help" from the untrained masquerading, unabashedly, as people who ARE trained for the amusement and profit of others.

Weird that I might have an issue with that, eh?

Perhaps, again, a delineation of "fiction" is needed to quell my argument...

...but that would make sense.

Permalink 04/30/09 @ 16:10

Comment from: Matthew James Didier [Visitor]

Oh, bonus point...

I did say that "paranormal" and "art" are mutually exclusive...

...I was wrong and admit it...

...but a word is missing...

Paranormal Hoaxery CAN and OFTEN IS referred to as "art" (as in, it's an art project!) by those caught attempting it...

See? I can admit a mistake!

Permalink 04/30/09 @ 16:12

Comment from: Sue [Member]

Celeste N Smith -> This is very off topic, but how old is your son if you don't mind my asking? You are reading him these posts, and he wants to ride a pedal car designed for a toddler to school?!

I find this an interesting distraction as well.

But, I still think you are missing the point completely, perhaps I'll try again.

You stated acting is hard work, and I agree. How would you feel about me if I stated I am an actress. I've never taken an acting lesson, I've never been on a stage, heck I've never tried out for a school play, but I have now run all over the internet saying I am a "real" actress, in fact I am the greatest actress in all of Canada. I am a better actress than the late Jessica Tandy, now let me come into your home, and give you real acting lessons. How would you feel if I played an actress for reality tv when I am not an actress? Would you feel ripped off? Would you feel I am doing a disservice to those who dedicate their lives to their craft, by being a poser?

Would you forgive me for saying, and doing these things if I were cute on camera, not frumpy? If I said my intentions were good?

I don't think so, and to be honest if I did that I would be making a mockery of "real" actors, and be either delusional or a liar.

Now do you get it?

I like art, I like fiction, I do not like fiction that passes itself off as reality. It's insulting.

Perhaps if they cast an actual paranormal investigator with a proven record in the field, and gave them some acting lessons to look better on camera. I think people would be cool with that, but this is just a sham.

Permalink 04/30/09 @ 16:48

Comment from: Bea Lendall [Visitor]

The Niagara Falls Review reports:

In the upper loft of the 4555 Cafe on Queen Street, people are auditioning to be scared.

Pretend you’re in a room, they’re told. You’ll feel a chill. Through your ear piece, a producer says she saw something move behind you. You investigate but find nothing.

All the while, four producers are filming you, taking notes and deeming you worthy of a good haunting.

They file in and out to audition for “History of a Haunting,” a new made-in-Niagara paranormal show debuting online August 29. Despite a show pushing ‘realism,’ they’re trying out for the part of team leader. They go into houses, report what’s so scary, and - oh ya - keep the audience entertained.

It’s hardly groundbreaking: Shows like “Ghost Hunters,” “Paranormal State” and “Ghost Trackers” have beaten the concept into the grave. Creator Jerry Potter of Niagara Falls worked on one called “Haunted Hamilton,” poking around spooky steeltown haunts for CH-TV.

Hamilton is fine, he figured, but when it comes to ghostbusting, it can’t touch Niagara.

http://www.niagarafallsreview.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1547342

Permalink 04/30/09 @ 18:41

Comment from: Maria [Visitor]

"people are auditioning to be scared"
hence another reality TV show is born!

Maybe there is a good reason why I only watch 2 hours of TV a week, eh?

According to this article the situation is Dire.

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Television's new age
Once a sure profit generator, Canada's TV industry has lost some of its financial clout. But how bad is it? That's the question the CRTC faces. The major networks say the situation is DIRE

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090427.wrtv27art1939/BNStory/Business

Permalink 04/30/09 @ 18:56

Comment from: Bea Lendall [Visitor]

Not only have you exposed the house, but you have published photos and names of the family on the Internet.

That is unethical, even in showbiz terms.

Permalink 04/30/09 @ 20:46

Comment from: Bea Lendall [Visitor]

Zoltach aka Soupy the Clown

Permalink 04/30/09 @ 20:55

Comment from: Creepy Bastard [Visitor]

blah blah blah blah beer...

Eh?

Someone say beer?

Anytime. We are always up for a night of kicking back with a cold beer and interesting conversation.

Let us know.

Permalink 04/30/09 @ 21:55

Comment from: Matthew James Didier [Visitor]

Yes, a beer... or two...

Interesting that... Someone, a couple of years back, who works in the "media", was once told by people we don't know, but who thought they knew us, that all we did was sit around and drink beer... this eliminating the need for them to contact us. This was especially amazing and amusing because, whereas I could and will buy you a beer, I'll be drinking a nice pop because I'm a teetotaller and have been since the later 1990's for health reasons...

Anyway, when beer is poured, no stilettos will be out... or Claymores... and yes, we do consider ourselves "frumpy". You've been warned.

Permalink 04/30/09 @ 22:05

Comment from: Maria [Visitor]

and proud of it too. hah

Permalink 04/30/09 @ 22:18

Comment from: Sue [Member]

Bea -> Thank you for commenting. We know about "Soupy the clown" but since that is a different business, and not a paranormal one lets stick to the topic. I don't have a problem with the actors (real or not) themselves I do have a problem with the production staff billing this as reality tv while casting an unknown actor (not paid to scale) as a team lead of a hastily put together "paranormal research group"

Permalink 05/01/09 @ 06:54

Comment from: Sue [Member]

Now back to the topic at hand!

Celeste! Is there a reason why you never answered my question? A simple yes or no will do. Here it is again so that it will not be buried, oh and since you love the Arts, please feel free to insert the words, musician, painter, dancer, mime, sculpter etc where you see the word actor:

I still think you are missing the point completely, perhaps I'll try again.

You stated acting is hard work, and I agree. How would you feel about me if I stated I am an actress. I've never taken an acting lesson, I've never been on a stage, heck I've never tried out for a school play, but I have now run all over the internet saying I am a "real" actress, in fact I am the greatest actress in all of Canada. I am a better actress than the late Jessica Tandy, now let me come into your home, and give you real acting lessons. How would you feel if I played an actress for reality tv when I am not an actress? Would you feel ripped off? Would you feel I am doing a disservice to those who dedicate their lives to their craft, by being a poser?

Would you forgive me for saying, and doing these things if I were cute on camera, not frumpy? If I said my intentions were good?

I don't think so, and to be honest if I did that I would be making a mockery of "real" actors, and be either delusional or a liar.

Now do you get it?

While we we are waiting for Celeste to answer this (don't hold your breath), does anyone here wonder if she can or will be able to honestly answer this?

I'm looking forward to her answer IF she is willing to post one that will most likely contradict everything she's already said. :)

Permalink 05/01/09 @ 07:15

Comment from: Stu [Visitor]

If she can, or even will attempt, then much respect.

Permalink 05/01/09 @ 09:12

Comment from: Creepy Bastard [Visitor]

While I do enjoy a good ale (mostly while I am torturing meat over an open flame), my poison of choice is whisky (good whisky).

I would have never given the victory to pop over beer when talking healthier choice.

Nothing is more medicinal than hops and barley.

However, I detect a dirt road where the asphalt should be...

Back to History of a Haunting.

I don't think there will be any further debate on the topic.

Aside from lacking a capable PR person (I work cheap, btw), there is no argument they could bring that could possibly explain how they could promote a show as real, when every piece of text found online is dedicated to creating a scripted piece.

This show is a one-trick pony. They are trying to sell it to people that don't want to buy it.

And the only way to do that is to hide the burn marks; under a generous slathering of BBQ sauce.

Hopefully this thread doesn’t derail their efforts.

Just because some people don’t like it, doesn’t mean there isn’t a gaggle of mouth breathers out there eager to watch it. You know – orb chasers. Orbers.

No. That wasn’t an insult.

It’s only an insult if it isn’t true.

Permalink 05/01/09 @ 09:32

Comment from: Sue [Member]

CB -> I don't know....even mouth breathers want to appear or look intelligent.

Permalink 05/01/09 @ 10:10

Comment from: Matthew James Didier [Visitor]

CB... Oddly enough, we're on the same page really in many aspects... and if it were just another Watch us ghost hunt! We are win! situation, I really wouldn't care TOO much...

...and yeah, there are people that still believe that William Wallace was nicknamed "Braveheart" (which he wasn't... that was Robert the Bruce...) and knocked up an eight-year old soon-to-be queen that gave birth to his bastard child seven years after he died... and all the "Epic Flail" of us historian-types won't change that... and no, knowing the truth does not take away from the overall enjoyment of the fiction...

...but...

If you look carefully, "Braveheart" never said it was a true biography or documentary... it really did advertise itself as "romanticized fiction".

...like you said, however, there are more than enough people that, to paraphrase Robin Williams, did come out after seeing "Quest for Fire" saying, "Wow. What an incredible documentary!"

Again, no big...

...that is until this bit...

We are always looking for new haunted locations and families that need our help. If you know of any, please forward that information to us at HistoryOfAHaunting@gmail.com

...and...

If you have, or know someone who has paranormal activity happening in their home or place of employment, please let us now about it.

If what is happening is too frightening to deal with, let us help.

...which is from their FaceBook group.

Think about that...

Now, one COULD argue that anyone goofy enough to contact them gets what they deserve... but you've been around long enough and like us you gotta know that, indeed, when people are really stressed and worried, they often will do things that SEEM like a good idea at the time...

Should these people "dance to the ghostbusters theme" for the amusement and profit of others just because of a hasty decision?

Should no one perhaps toss a flag in the air?

I look at it this way... appealing, again, to your experience...

If shady "ghostbusters" charge a whack of dough to "clear" a home of a perceived entity, we would decry it...

In this case, shady and false "ghostbusters" who's integrity, out of the gate, is not so good are soliciting to have people rat out friends and family and/or have their families appear on a show to have their homes "cleared" for the profit and fame of these folks.

What's the difference?

Also, since we know that it sure looks fraudulent as far as "reality" goes, what happens when a museum or historic site lets them in and "Whammo!" It's DEMON time!

...and possibly/probably some of the local clergy, board members, and assorted pearl-clutching couch-fainters see it and complain...

Do you think that site or museum will want ANYTHING to do with ANY of us after that? Do you believe, in your heart of hearts, that they will distinguish between "us" and "them"?

I can give you two recent cases in Toronto that this sort of thing happened... and now, despite us cultivating a good relationship with some places, we're being told that "the brass" of two sites have effectively barred us because they don't do the "ghost" thing ever now.

...and no, it was not because of something we did.

So, between promises of "ghost busting" for real people by scripted untrained newbs for cameras and probable damage done to the study as a whole at museums and sites, I see a wee concern meself...

Do you?

Hence, this is our flag we're throwing in the air to hopefully warn folks.

Permalink 05/01/09 @ 10:52

Comment from: Maria [Visitor]

The sad thing is only a very small portion of the population actually knows what a true paranormal investigator really is.

The same crowd that ran to see "A Haunting in Connecticut" will love a show based on this premise.. with all of its promo's that announce "GHOSTS AND DEMONS" at the end ot it...

There have been quacks in the field of parapsychology since the beginning of time and for some reason I don't think its going to change anytime soon.

Permalink 05/01/09 @ 11:13

Comment from: Sue [Member]

Maria -> True. However, as Matthew said the general public can now be warned, and no matter what feeble things they do from now on to appear to look legitimate the doubt (that they created themselves) will always be there, and easily found in search engines. You know we outrank their own domain in Google now if you search for their show.

This truly is the worst, and thankfully out of the 6 that contacted us and are currently in production in this province alone that are doing something very similar I believe three already got network slots. Who knows if this will ever get past the internet. I have my doubts.

If people are going to do fiction why not just call it that. I would love to see a well written, and produced Canadian fictional series because of course fiction is far more exciting than the "reality" of paranormal investigation. That I would be very happy to promote.

CB -> On this I agree with Matthew too. They are soliciting for families to contact them. Those people should be contacting your group not some poser, unreality, reality tv show.

Permalink 05/01/09 @ 11:25

Comment from: Stu [Visitor]

I hope that such a show will not be produced in Quebec, which is on a sort of "reality" TV trip right now. I doubt it, as the only channel (Canal D) to produce paranormal shows here only does fairly matter of fact docs. They are quite good too (and it's funny that, while produced in the sexiest city in the country, Montreal, need not sex it up at all).

Actually, you know, I think there is one way where History of a Haunting COULD work: Drop the paranormal schtick and concentrate solely on the sex! City TV or Showcase would pick it up in a second. History of a Hotty? Hell, why not? I'd check that show out!

Permalink 05/01/09 @ 11:55

Comment from: Maria [Visitor]

You've got a good point there, Stu.

This is all about making money for advertisers! That is what TV is ALL ABOUT.

Sensationalism sells. Plain and simple.

Permalink 05/01/09 @ 12:02

Comment from: Bea Lendall [Visitor]

· http://www.niagarafallsreview.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1548514

More from the Niagara Falls Review and a mention of this blog (kinda)

With its historic battlegrounds, vintage neighbourhoods and eerie locales, the region has enough material for several seasons of a TV series. For now, he's fine-tuning the pilot in the hopes History of a Haunting becomes an online hit. Then, he'll worry about TV.

"Real people, real situations, real locations," he says. "We'll implement the actual history of the Niagara region."

To do so, Potter has assembled an all-Niagara team to put it together. Four of them spent last Friday auditioning people (which earned them a snide mention in a Toronto-based paranormal blog), some of whom are a complete waste of time.

Michelle, 30, is asked why she would make a good team leader.

"I really enjoy hauntings and I like to narrate," she responds.

When she starts to ramble, the interview is cut short. The next one isn't much better: A 14-year-old kid has showed up, and he's automatically disqualified because of his age. Not wanting to be rude, they let him audition anyway.

When he's asked to improv a scene, he wanders around the room like he's lost.

"I don't really know what I'm doing," he says.

"It's great you had the guts to come out and do this anyway," says executive producer Nathan Chamberland.

Up next is a 24-year-old actor who drove from Toronto. He shows promise and looks good on camera.

"If something happens on your watch, you have to take responsibility," he says. "If the team leader is acting with hysteria, it'll be obnoxious for the rest of the team."

One of the 20 or so people who showed up for auditions will likely be the face of the show, and try to separate History of a Haunting from the pack. To that end, Potter has brought aboard a 'transmedium' to communicate with any boogeymen and get some answers.

That would be Sayge Flannigan of St. Catharines, who for six years has gone into paranormal hot zones and channeled what he believes is an 18th-century Jesuit priest named Zoltach.

He doesn't care about doubters. He simply lets Zoltach do the talking.

"I let the information I channel speak for itself," he says. "The info will either resonate, or it won't."

He claims Zoltach warned one family there would be a fire in their home soon. For four months, the children slept in their clothes, ready to flee at the first whiff of smoke. Sure enough, four months later, there was a blaze and they all escaped.

"My body acts like a lightning rod," says Flannigan, who has no recollection of each session. "I become the voice for the spirit."

Potter knows the hazards of a show like this - if nothing happens, it's a boring episode. There's also the temptation to stage things for the cameras.

None of that will happen, he insists. Keeping it real is key to History of a Haunting.

"We don't want to go in there and start making up things," says Chamberland, who recently won a Niagara Music Award and will also compose the show's score. "People who are dedicated to these kinds of things - and there are a lot of them -will appreciate that. As soon as they start seeing that things are fake, they'll turn it off."

"What sells is the fear of the unknown," adds Welland's Todd Brown, another executive producer. "Once it's known, it's not fearful any more."

Permalink 05/01/09 @ 12:36

Comment from: Creepy Bastard [Visitor]

This is a very tricky terrain to tread across. Mainly because the obvious answer, once presented with the facts, is clearly in the black or the white.

Or so it would seem.

I’ll try to answer this without contradicting myself, my personal beliefs or looking like a hypocrite.

You’ll get no argument from me.

Exploitation is something I do not condone, nor would I do.

The trickle down effect and collateral damage from a bunch of monkeys armed with loaded shotgun mics is something we have felt the sting from directly.

We had a very awesome place lined up and had the green light… until the word reached the higher-higher ups, and they dropped the axe. The kibosh had nothing to do with us. It was because of all the build up of bad press over the years. They no longer wanted their property associated with anything paranormal. Period.

So we suffered for someone else’s bad manners.

Now… the hard stuff.

Here is where the black and white mix to form everyone’s (including mine) favorite cliché.

The only reason the answer to this thread is a no-brainer, is because we think we know how things should be done in this field.

Our way, or no way.

Sure, we may say things like ‘there is no right way of doing things’, but truth be told, we do things based on what we feel is the best way. Other wise, why would we be doing it that way? If there was a better way than our way, we would be doing it that way.

Wouldn’t we?

My mother keeps an immaculate house. I mean that.

Immaculate.

As in, the Pope him self would be content to lick melted ice cream off the floor tiles.

When she comes over to my place, she cleans my house.

So why do I get annoyed at her? I’m not forcing her to clean my house.

It’s what she wants to do. It’s what see does.

The reason I get annoyed is because I have my own way of doing things. It’s not as purified as her way, but I am happy with my method. It suits my needs and satisfies my level of standards.

I don’t like the way History of Haunting has organized their pantry. But it isn’t my house. I have no problem telling them that putting the garlic on the floor is retarded and that I would hang it from the ceiling instead.

It’s one thing to give them my opinion. It’s a completely other thing to kick in their door in full SWAT gear, just to make sure they dangle their bulbs from an S-hook.

Where does that sort of draconian thinking end? Whose best interests are we really doing this for?

Are we doing it for the poor people that have ghosts in their homes and need help? Or are we doing it because we want everyone to know that our way is the best way?

I have no good answer for you.

Permalink 05/01/09 @ 12:39

Comment from: Creepy Bastard [Visitor]

Continued....

I’m bias when it comes to the paranormal. I see the dangers inherent in unscrupulous ghost hunters.

I would like to take a machete to the lot of them. That would leave only the good ones.

But am I qualified to pick which ones will fall screaming horrifically under my notched and sticky blade?

My question back to you is this;

Do you sheer off every cliff with giant bulldozers? Or do you air drop millions of pamphlets into Lemming communities across the tundra in hopes of warning them to stay away from those cliffs?

Permalink 05/01/09 @ 12:41

Comment from: admin [Member]

CB... Since lemmings actually don't commit mass suicide, no worries!

Okay, comedy mode off...

I agree, but "no flag" and no response would be equally as bad in my eyes. If you don't take a stand of some sort, you give up the right to complain later.

...that, and perhaps SOMEONE who might have been sucked in will see this. One mythical lemming will read the pamphlet and say, "Uh, no."

Also, I'm CERTAINLY not (despite rumours and whatnot to the contrary,) a "my way or the highway" when it comes to the study... that's a myth started by people who wanted to say and do things with "absolute approval from all"... and as demonstrated, I tend to ask questions which makes me EEEEVUL!!!

In fact, from my "coursebook" (one of my proudest accomplishment that book...)
http://www.torontoghosts.org/course/coursebook.pdf

THIS DOCUMENT WILL ALLOW YOU TO DO A PERFECT GHOST INVESTIGATION!

I wish! I think it’s a good document, and our notes and ideas are sound, but we’re not perfect and we don’t have all the answers. Like any good resource I invite you to read it, take from it that which is useful, and hopefully it will be helpful to you. Adopt, adapt and improve! This is just the way “we” at the Toronto and Ontario Ghosts and Hauntings Research Society do things, and even then not all of us follow every rule to the letter. We do bend, move and play with ideas depending on the situation and circumstance. We are not the “end-all-of-be-alls” in the field of ghost research, but it has been suggested that we do a good job or… so we’re told.

That's honestly not a false sentiment.

Moving on...

In my perfect world, if you make a claim, have evidence to substantiate it or let people know it's a guess... Guessing is fine, but a statement of fact needs proof...

You charge for a service, you best deliver that service and offer some form of guarantee for the money...

You claim to have some knowledge on a subject, that knowledge best be backed up with more than personal faith and opinion...

If you're out for fame and fortune, make that clear to everyone from the get go so we know what we're dealing with...

You put yourself out in the public eye in any way, shape, or form, be prepared for criticism or, at the very least, questions...

Lastly, you create fiction, be honest and let people know it's fiction... don't sell them a bill of goods.

Oh, and I know you're aware... I hold as high a candle on these things above with "ghost hunters", "paranormal media", and even "so-called sceptics".

Can I "enforce" these dreams above?

No...

I wish I could... but I know I can't... so I howl a bit... as do many...

After all, if we don't howl, who will?

Permalink 05/01/09 @ 13:01

Comment from: Stu [Visitor]

It's ironic that you use the lemming analogy, CB, as the the myths and misconceptions of lemming behavior were highly influenced by what was filmed to be a documentary on the rodents by Disney in the late 50s. Passing BS as reality, much like this lot are trying to do.

Permalink 05/01/09 @ 13:06

Comment from: Creepy Bastard [Visitor]

Sue,

I wish they would contact our group.

There are groups that go into private homes loaded down with everything from EMF readers to toasters looking for that one piece of evidence.

When they don't get it, they stamp the case file: NOT HAUNTED

How insulting is that to the homeowners that have lived with something and are looking for answers?

Then you have the smudgers and love-n-lighters coming in to help the family... for a small fee.

This is not what the family needs. Alot of groups just don't get that.

Its too bad that these families have such limited options.

Maybe we should get an add in the yellow pages...

Permalink 05/01/09 @ 13:35

Comment from: Sue [Member]

CB -> I'm going to post your link here if that is cool so that way people reading here can find you easier:

http://www.theshadowsproject.com/

That is what the link portion in the comments is for. The netiquette in the blogsphere is different. Took me awhile to get used to. I don't really like dropping my link either, but it is expected in the blog world.

As for people knowing who to turn to this was a big problem we faced in UFOlogy in the 90's people did not know how to find any groups, and reports went to the states. Now thankfully to mostly the work of Brian Vike Canadians can report UFO experiences easily in Canada.

I do have a huge problem with people proclaiming any location "Not Haunted" when we have no way to prove one way or a not, but I think the people offering smudging etc as long as they are not taking people to the cleaners with these small fees can actually help. We won't do it, but we offer free, and low cost suggestions on the website for people who really want it. If you believe it is a "magic" placebo or something more sometimes these little rituals calm people down, and in turn whatever is going on calms down. Granted it can work the opposite way as well, which we warn people of.

Permalink 05/01/09 @ 14:06

Comment from: Creepy Bastard [Visitor]

Thanks, Sue.

Much appreciated. I will learn to use it.

Placebos are fine. And I have no problem with people that need to be lied to for peace-of-mind. What I can’t stomach is when so-called psychics charge a ‘small fee’ for this placebo.

Permalink 05/01/09 @ 14:53

Comment from: Kurtz Fan [Visitor]

· http://blogspot.com/

This is from their mediums website check this out http://www.soupytheclown.com/

Shane Flannigan is a certified Laughter Therapist and the creator of the characters "Soupy The Clown & Beep". Shane has personally studied under and or performed with many great Canadian entertainers including the world class magician & illusionist Danny zzzz who was recently featured on NBC TV and internationally recognized professional clown Grindl Kuchirka who has been featured for many years on the TV show The Big Comfy Couch. Shane has also created & custom designed signature characters to entertain children for one of North America's largest family resorts. Once these brand new characters were created Shane was personally asked to bring these new characters to life during regular performances at the resort.

He creates characters and performs them and he trained and worked with a magician and illusionist. You have to ask yourself if Shane Flannigan created the character Sayge and maybe some of the other characters for this show too? There is good reason why some of the Amazing Randy guys are magicians. They know how to fake stuff and get others to believe. Call it BS already.

Permalink 05/03/09 @ 12:59

Comment from: WaterFall Insights [Visitor]

· http://waterfallsparanormal.blogspot.com/

My goodness people are getting so strung out about the different things that Sayge does for a living!
You can't make a living at being a deep trance channel.

Kurt do you not understand that laughter is one of the highest forms of spirituality?
You know when you get in a giggle fit?
Spirit (yes I talk to spirit/God too:) many people do consciously) tells me that laughter is the closest thing to the feeling of being on the other side that we can feel in physical form.
When I had one of the NDE's I felt this and it's almost overwhelming! or hard to take when you're still attached to a physical form... you can't contain it all.

Promoting laughter is God's work. I think it most appropriate these are the ways Sayge feeds his family.

I work as Sayges Facilitator (Director) when he goes into Trance...because he is an unconscious Channel. He's not there! He goes out astrally and Zoltach takes residence in his body.
For reference: Edgar Cayce

What everyone has to understand is that I have been spiritually searching, learning, 'on my path' for over thirty years now.
Although we live in a little bubble here in Niagara... where you might think that you know everything that's going on... Well you don't. There has been a community of highly respected channellers right at everyone's doorsteps since 1975 and that's only the ones I know of. I'm sure there were many before. We live in a highly spiritually energized area. Many of us chose to be reincarnated into this area because of it.
I started my learning about channeling when I was 17 I am now 48. In the 70's I lived with one respected channeller as a 'step daughter' for a few years while he was practicing, honing and learning how to reach the deeper levels. This man was self taught and now he teaches others. I don't want to bring him into this mess I respect him too much for that.
I KNOW what a fake is! I can pick them out in an instance!

Actually you can too. What are the answers you are being given? Is there a changeable energy in the room while the person is channeling? Channelling isn't like getting a reading from a Psychic. It's more direct. You, ask the questions about anything! and they give you direct, true answers.
You can't 'act' channelling and be taken seriously that's absurd.

It seems very simple to me why spirit would pick a man such as Sayge to take Channelling into the world. Zoltach has told us that he has a message to deliver.
Can you stand up in front of 300 people have an informal chat with them and then sit in a chair, relax, go into a trance state and leave your body? LOL Believe me! I'm still learning how not to be nervous in front of the 300 people, let alone everything else!

Everything this man has done in his life, experienced, learned has all been to get him ready for this 'NOW point'.
I witness on a daily basis the most profound, life changing, heartfelt, enlightening, interchanges with the Zoltach and the souls who come to see us. I don't use these words lightly either. People ARE changed for the more positive by talking with Zoltach.
Can you imagine? I'm in such a unique place to be able to witness these things. Remember that Sayge is unconscious he doesn't remember anything after he comes back into his body. So who is better to speak up for him than I...

and this is why I have posted...

Nancy (given name)
Sofia (spiritual name given to me by Zoltach)
WaterFall (spiritual name from my own guide)

namaste

Permalink 05/03/09 @ 15:41

Comment from: Matthew James Didier [Visitor]

Okay-dokey... I feel a bit like Michael Corleone... Just when you think you're out, they pull you back in.

To be honest, Sue and I have been home from an extended dog walk and dinner for a while discussing this situation...

Last time, we kind-of silenced Bea about things to do with the gentleman in question because we felt it was not "on topic", so to speak...

Well, after a few conversations, phone calls, et al... and considering Nancy's response above... we are leaving things alone and, really, neither of us are commenting on this one beyond this bit here.

I will say that indeed, not only James "The Amusing" Randi is a magician... but arch-pseudo-sceptics Paul Kurtz, Joe Nickel, and of course, Penn and Teller are all magicians as are many in the "Sceptdebunker" ranks... and yes, their training is what leads them to believe that 99% of "paranormal stuff" is nonsense... and they do cite that they are "trained" to fool people "like psychics do"... honestly, it's almost a mantra to these folks.

...but is that the case here?

Honestly, I cannot say...

BUT...

After the discussions we've had this evening and some bases we touched, we do believe that the rule of "Caveat Emptor" should be applied especially to ALL the people involved with this "production"...
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Nancy -> Playing Devil's Advocate to your statements... Sorry to say, there are literally hundreds (possibly thousands) of people that do make their daily bread as trance mediums in North America... and after some research, had he enough "students" and "followers", Shane could make more than enough himself only doing the channelling... between his fees for mentoring (very expensive!) and various sessions, he's doing okay and for those without the kind of funds he commands, you know as do we, there are other less pricey outlets to learn from... so the "money" issue probably isn't the best argument...

...and there's little doubt that the rest of your argument would be quickly torn apart by most people because it's based on opinion and feelings rather than hard evidence...

This isn't to say we doubt you or wish you to stop commenting... but in the "war of words" that's broken out here on the blog, not to mention some other things that are "moving in the shadows" where this production is concerned, it's probably best to agree to disagree and simply state you feel what he does is genuine and you appreciate it and leave it at that.
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...and on that note, I'm done here... the points have been made... some things have been brought to light where necessary... and "the word is out there", so to speak.

In our favour, however, when it came to the original complaint, the co-producer did indeed validate everything we said (save the update about the writer... but even that is in dispute...) and he also "defended" a thing about the show we didn't mention here (CGI which is "Computer Generated Images" used by special effects people,) which is very telling... and pretty much everyone we've spoken to and indeed know in many "paranormal" and "historical" circles" does feel the show is a disservice to paranormal research, investigation, study, and, of course, those people already involved in that study...

...and yes, they look rotten regardless of whether or not they are involved with a "Hit TV series", (as this show been called without a real airing yet...)

...even if they're not frumpy, it's insulting.

Permalink 05/03/09 @ 20:23

Comment from: Bea Lendall [Visitor]

· http://goodjesuitbadjesuit.blogspot.com/2009/05/father-zoltach.html

Here is a link that speaks of the show and gives some insight into Zoltach, the trance medium on the show.

I find it interesting that the web site owner states:

"The subject of this story Zoltach and Sayge in no way Christian, Catholic, nor Jesuit and must be viewed as occultic. In the best light, this story is showbiz at its best and at it's worst......."

To read the entire article go here:

http://goodjesuitbadjesuit.blogspot.com/2009/05/father-zoltach.html

Permalink 05/04/09 @ 22:44

Comment from: Maria [Visitor]

I also don't think its appropriate to compare Zoltach to Edgar Cayce. While part of their method to communicate may seem similar, there is a world of difference. Cayce's material has been studied by scholars for decades now and he has made some pretty accurate hits. Cacye founded Atlantic University and there is an entire archive of his material (thousands of readings)available. This, in my opinion, is very impressive.

Permalink 05/05/09 @ 12:52

Comment from: WaterFall Insights [Visitor]

· http://www.zoltach.com

Dear Maria,

We used Edgar Cayce as a refrence to the method of Deep Trance work that Sayge does.

From the A.R.E. site:
"Edgar Cayce (1877-1945) has been called the "sleeping prophet," the "father of holistic medicine," and the most documented psychic of the 20th century. For more than 40 years of his adult life, Cayce gave psychic "readings" to thousands of seekers while in an unconscious state, diagnosing illnesses and revealing lives lived in the past and prophecies yet to come."
http://www.edgarcayce.org

Some of the prophecicized events have come into fruition. Such as the warning of the fire in a families home.

..just in case... :)
quoted from:
www.dictionary.com
"1. the foretelling or prediction of what is to come."

The only difference between Sayge, Zoltach and I is that our work has just begun compared to Edgar Cayces in which his channelling states have finished.

namaste
Waterfall Insights

Permalink 05/05/09 @ 13:29

Comment from: Creepy Bastard [Visitor]

Shelley Murdock has offered to 'spill the beans', so to speak, over on our forum.

Come on over. Everyone and every point of view is welcome.

Consider all disclaimers in effect... Comments and views expressed in the forum, yadda yadda, are not necessarily those of The Shadows Project Team, yadda yadda...

http://tspforum.tickie.net/index.php?topic=496.msg2633

Copy. Paste. Engage.
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Editor's (Matthew's) Note: Or clicky and engage! The joys of being a mod/admin/sysop and being able to code!

Permalink 05/05/09 @ 13:52

Comment from: Creepy Bastard [Visitor]

Show off.

Permalink 05/05/09 @ 14:13

Comment from: Bea Lendall [Visitor]

I don't think Maria needs reference to a dictionary for common references and words.

Also, the idea that you can compare Zoltach/Soupy the Clown/Saige to Edgar Cayce is remarkable and unbelievable.

The show is a joke, a disgrace, and Zoltach is attached to it.

Permalink 05/05/09 @ 16:54

Comment from: Bea Lendall [Visitor]

The producers of this show claim that they have on their team an historian.

What is the name of the historian?

I know all the historians in Niagara, and not one said they would be, nor want to be connected to this show.

Who is the historian?

There is no name attached, no indication of whom it may be.

Another lie?

Permalink 05/08/09 @ 23:24

Comment from: Trish [Visitor]

Wow. All this from a dispute over whether or not a "reality" show is, in fact, reality.. or just based on it.

From what I've read so far, it would seem that calling History of a Haunting a "Reality" show is like calling margarine "Butter". Kinda looks the same. Has the same purpose (in History of a Haunting's case, entertainment). Both are even made of fat .. but the bottom line is, they're not really the same thing.

End of.

That is what everyone is up in arms about, isn't it? And not one post so far, including those of the producer and his supporters, has convinced me that its more than a reality-BASED (although to be fair, the casting call DOES say "REALITY BASED)tv show.

I have been reminded, however, of mountains, molehills, and the mob mentality.

Permalink 05/09/09 @ 13:24

Comment from: Mathew [Member]

Um... "Ouch"? Wow... I don't get the above message at all...

All this from a dispute over whether or not a "reality" show is, in fact, reality.. or just based on it.

No. There's a lot more to it than that... I don't know if you read everything... honestly, too much to go through again... but here we go... Readers Digest Version for the "Twitter" groupies...

Nutshell:

#1: Yes, reality being passed off as fact... Re-read their posts from Facebook that I emphasized.

#2: Hiring of an actor to be a "paranormal team lead" where paranormal "interest" seems to be only a plus... not essential... and this person will be prepared to lead a team just like CB can, and Sue, and Myself, and others who've invested years into the study... in two weeks... which makes our work and efforts seem like nothing to anyone paying attention.

#3: They are also saying they will be filming at historic sites...
So, an actor and people who seem really untrained, with people who are doing things that smack heavily of the over-dramatic, (including, as we have learned, some issue-y things with demonic possession claims,) will now be travelling to sites we've worked years with to cultivate a relationship to allow us to continue our studies to film their show. As I often say... there's no doubt those that know us well will be able to delineate between us and them... BUT... if they broadcast something (especially smacking of the demonic or the like,) there's no doubt that the pearl-clutching brigade will hit the fainting couches, then complain... Do you think we'll be as welcome to those sites the next time? As you know, the answer is "No". We will be lumped in with these folks by the powers that be... I believe you're aware that this has happened to us in the past... and I can tell you, it's happened more than once.

#4: This is the REAL kicker... The are soliciting to "help" people (notably they have specified families,) who are experiencing the paranormal to act as content for their show.

Think about that last one...

An actor, with two and a bit weeks experience, with a group who's efforts are extremely questionable, openly soliciting people with children to "help clear the ghost" in the name of entertainment...?

...and who will really profit from that?

One has to doubt it's the family that asks for help, sorry to say.

...but is that enough to make "us" go after them?

Apparently, yes! This is the same as we do when we go after people who purport to be "psychics" and "house clearers" that have dubious reputations and profit falsely from their efforts.

Granted, you may have noticed, I bowed out of commenting once the production team validated (admitted) my concerns as genuine... but again, if you read, you'll see they STILL claim that the show is "real" and that everything they're doing is beyond good, it's... and I quote... "fabulous".

Wonder if the witnesses that might contact them for help will feel the same way?

From what I've read so far, it would seem that calling History of a Haunting a "Reality" show is like calling margarine "Butter". Kinda looks the same. Has the same purpose (in History of a Haunting's case, entertainment). Both are even made of fat .. but the bottom line is, they're not really the same thing.

End of.

Um... no... Did you read everything???

That is what everyone is up in arms about, isn't it?

No... there's a few reasons I've summarised above... which are not just "our" issues.

And not one post so far, including those of the producer and his supporters, has convinced me that its more than a reality-BASED

Actually, everything points to factual programming... at least, that's what their FaceBook and other media releases say... Again, I'm worried you didn't see this as it's pretty clear above.

I have been reminded, however, of mountains, molehills, and the mob mentality.

Um... "Ouch"?

Gee, do you honestly have that little respect for us? Did we do something to offend you?

I agree that 104 posts are a bit much, but the reasons behind the decrying are all valid in our's and many other's minds (as demonstrated)... and although I realise we're a "mob", we're really more concerned about witnesses and experiencers moreso than anything else... again, I wonder... did you read through the posts and comments?

Wow... I'm kinda speechless about your comment... but perhaps, if you really feel that this is solely about "catching fiction" in reality... and that this is a "good thing" or even acceptable... especially to us... and to other's in our field... then we're REALLY gonna have to agree to disagree with this...

Wow...

Permalink 05/09/09 @ 20:31

Comment from: Bea Lendall [Visitor]

I can't believe its not butter!

The reality claim is just the tip of the ice-berg, and with that exposed, there are many, many other underlying issues that Matthew has pointed out.

It is the reputation of us all, this "mob" that comes into question.

We've all worked very hard, for many years to gain an ounce of respect in this field.

And it appears the producers of this show do not respect the community of paranormal investigators at all.

Moreover, they failed to respect the family they have been in production with.

Posting the address of the location and full photos of the property, both interior and exterior as well as photos and names of the family is without doubt one of the most damning of the evidence.

The family now has unwanted visitors at their home, the thrill-seekers, if you will.

This could cause unwanted attention to the family and possibly lower their property value and that of their neighbors.

I hope the production team has had legal documents drawn up and signed.

They could be in a lot of hot water.

Wonder why their psychic did not see that coming...

Permalink 05/09/09 @ 23:00

Comment from: Trish [Visitor]

~sigh~ Okay, here we go.

1st, Mr. Matty.. I wasn't pissed off at you.. nor was I showing you any lack of respect. As a matter of fact, the mob mentality was the snowballing effect from the ENTIRE situation on BOTH sides.

I was trying to figure out how something that started off as disgust for a show having a cattle call for a "reality" show turned into name-calling, bullying, and general school-yard behaviours. Behaviours that were unacceptable from either side.. and I did NOT mention which side I was referring to.

Yes, I read ALL the posts. Here, and on the message board. Yes, I understood ALL the issues you had, and your nutshell, while thoughtful, was unnecessary. I chose to mention the ORIGINAL issue because I was not about to bring in the issues that started muddying the mix to begin with (and when I wrote that, I had the whole Zoltach bit in mind and I was wondering what that had to do with the price of tea in China...)

Do I see how this could affect the world of "real" paranormal investigators? Sure. And no, I don't think the show is a "good thing" .. didn't even say it was, but thanks for trying to put words into my mouth.. as a matter of fact, I'm just as against the show as you are.

You mis-read me, Mr. Matty. And as much as you stand at your podium screaming at people to "READ THE POSTS", that saddens me. Pot, have you met kettle? I think people get so caught up in things, they're ready to take any comment as a personal affront instead of asking for clarification if something isn't clear.

I said, "That is what everyone is up in arms about, isn't it? And not one post so far, including those of the producer and his supporters, has convinced me that its more than a reality-BASED (although to be fair, the casting call DOES say "REALITY BASED)tv show.".. meaning.. THE PRODUCER ET AL HAVE NOT YET CONVINCED ME THE SHOW IS A REALITY SHOW - IN MY EYES, DISPITE THEIR CLAIMS, IT IS STILL NOTHING MORE THAN REALITY-BASED. In other words, they're feeding the public crap. I was trying to be nicer about it. I just didn't realize that I'd be mis-read.

So .. no.. Matt.. I.. WASN'T pissed.. I think I am now.

Permalink 05/10/09 @ 00:35

Comment from: Creepy Bastard [Visitor]

Hi Trish,

I have a vey quick question that may answer for Mr. Matty's confussion (and mine) (and, I'm sure, many others).

When you said you read both sides...

Are you referring to reading HoaH's side as well as the PSICAN side?

I only ask because aside from the two replies that directly address the issues themselves, I have yet to see/read anything from thier PR department.

If there is something out there aside from the two posts on this blog thread, I would love to read it.

Permalink 05/10/09 @ 08:05

Comment from: Mathew [Member]

Trish -> Well... you didn't see the PM on the MB... that might have taken a bit of the sting out of my message... at least, one hopes.

Also, I was taken aback that you said this whole exercise was pretty much SOLELY based on "reality" vs. "non-reality" thing... that kinda made me go, "Hunh???"

That, and yesterday's weather had me headachey all bloomin' day... and yeah, that brings out a touch more of the snark than normal.

CB -> Honest question... although, indeed, you are correct that I can't remember a single press release (beyond the casting calls, event announcements, and possibly the employment(?) notices...

...would you not consider their Facebook and even their own site "PR" work?

Permalink 05/10/09 @ 08:16

Comment from: Creepy Bastard [Visitor]

They've posted... stuff... but nothing remotely close to point-counterpoint.

There is nothing on their FB site that looks like a response to this blog.

It's all pre-blig material.

Except for the one message from Nathan and the second one from Craig, no one from the show has tried to address the issues people have raised.

And rightly so...

Really... what can they say?

Permalink 05/10/09 @ 15:49

Comment from: Mathew [Member]

Everyone Reading -> For the record, there WAS a misunderstanding with Trish and some well placed messages on the PSICAN message board has straightened me... er, I mean, them out.

Mea culpa for my part in the issues at hand... and no virtual spanking was ever really intended.

Oh, that said however... the points still stand. :)

Permalink 05/10/09 @ 17:04

Comment from: Trish [Visitor]

S'all good, Matt. ;)

~Trish gets off the naughty stool~

I'm still waiting for that virtual spanking, though.. THAT sounded kinda fun...

Permalink 05/10/09 @ 18:04

Comment from: Nathan Chamberland [Visitor]

· http://historyofahaunting.com

This is quite enough.

I am interested in knowing how it is that you call yourselves investigators. Truly.

The show is real. The disgruntled psychic is lying to give herself 15 minutes of fame. The family is STILL on our side and we published no names. The FAMILY THEMSELVES chose to attach their names. We have never asked ANY money from families. YOU people are doing more harm to them... really.

My lack of response has been because I am not getting into a pissing match with people like you.

Just to let you know, I will not be responding to any more. If you wish to know the truth... and I mean the ACTUAL TRUTH, please call me (905)650-6297 or email me HistoryOfAHaunting@gmail.com and I will be more than happy to answer your questions.

If you have spent a long time getting respect in this field, you should be very careful. Please really DO the research and REALLY find out what is going on. Many posts on the internet... and I mean MANY, including some casting calls we not approved by us. We have nothing to do with it.

I have enlisted the help of other paranormal INVESTIGATORS. We actually HAVE a professional historian. We have asked NO ONE to act. We will soon see who is not telling the truth.

I admitted to nothing you have said. Admitting would be lying and I am not going to do that. I have said, however, that it still is show business (not fake or scripted, just show business... do you understand?). But then again, how would you know anything about this show? No one does but the team and crew.

I suggest that you do your digging by pointing your rifle at me. Not by putting down the reputation of our team. Sayge is a wonderful man who helps a lot of people. Shame on you. Bad form.

A certain so-called psychic has egged you on based on her completely fabricated nonsense and most of you have listened. Why don't you just think about it for a minute...

All of you: You want answers? You call me.

Because as far as I'm concerned, YOU are the people looking for fake Hollywood glamor; you would rather kick up the gossip dust than find out the REAL and boring truth. So be it.

I trust I will not hear from any of you...

Nathan

Permalink 05/11/09 @ 15:21

Comment from: Matthew James Didier [Visitor]

I don't think I'll be calling... or Sue... mostly because I hate conversations that end up like this...

Us: We have several concerns...

Them: Um... no, you're concerns are silly... BUT LOOK! A shiny thing! Isn't it fabulous!?! Look at the shiny thing! Wheee shiny thing!

Us: ...but you haven't addressed our concer...

Them: Wheee! I love shiny things! What did you say about misdirection? Sorry? SHINY THING! WHEEE!!!

You really haven't addressed anything... save using simple denials and claims without evidence... in fact, in your response to me, you showed that many of my concerns, save the "script writer", were actually justified... and saying to us things like...

Hype is hype. Show business is show business.

...doesn't help your case.

In fact, since you needed to "question" our authenticity... (do you REALLY want our "CV" posted here? It's rather lengthy...) I have to say that I have already expressed a desire to back out of this (out of boredom and seeing that things will most likely not work out for you,) with ZERO retractions to my post OTHER THAN (as stated,) there's DISPUTE over the script writer request... and "dispute" doesn't mean it didn't happen... it's disputed... that's all. Sad to say, it happened...

Sorry, but this whole venture is seemingly NOT kosher... in the extreme...

...and I'm glad CB and other's are taking up the cause to IMPROVE what COULD be done media-wise about a topic WE HAVE PROOF that we've been involved with for well over a decade... where's your evidence of prior paranormal investigatory experience...?

...or should we be looking only at the fabulous shiny thing?

We have done research about your little venture... more than you can imagine...

Let me give you a wee tip...

But then again, how would you know anything about this show? No one does but the team and crew.

Did you know they (the people STILL involved with this,) talk to people when you're not around??? It's TRUE! Not only that, but perhaps you should consider putting them under a legal non-disclosure... yes, you might ALSO including those who you've had to "let go" if you can convince them... good luck on that one.

No one doubts your "artistic intent" and your wish to produce a successful program, but call us weird, we're not happy your attempt at fame and fortune it's being done at the expense of a subject that we actually (with evidence) care about a great deal...

...top that off with the FACT that it will be sold to people wanting actual help for stressful situations... and indeed, you're wonderful "team" (no discrimination needed for any one member,) is not doing a good job of convincing anyone that they are on the level and knowledgeable... or helpful.

We're Sceptical with a capital "S" that the intent is anything more than art and fiction married VERY loosely to perhaps something real... for fame and success... at the expense of a study and some witnesses.

HONESTLY, I think we ALL would recommend that you consider "re-tooling/re-booting" the idea... lose the concept that reality is involved... and then, perhaps, as entertainment LOOSELY based on reality (with no witnesses or sites being gulled,) you'll be a success.

Otherwise, the whole thing DOES walk like a duck, quack like a duck... and we're not sold on your say-so that it's really a puppy.

Permalink 05/11/09 @ 17:00

Comment from: Sue [Member]

Yes, people do talk, especially when there is no legally binding contract to force them not to.

The "disgruntled psychic" has a name and her name is Shelley Murdock. She has courageously come forward openly, and publicly about her experiences with History of a Haunting here:

http://tspforum.tickie.net/index.php?topic=496.msg2633

Shelly Murdock is willing to give you her version of the "truth" openly, and for the entire internet to see, judge and question.

Mr Chamberland's version of the "truth" has to be hidden behind private phone calls and emails. Why must the "truth" be hidden if it is in fact the truth?

Under these circumstances I know who I believe has more credibility.

Like Shelley Murdock anything and everything I have had to say about this internet show is of public record, and has been said already.

Unless I see a very different version of what has already been put out there I highly doubt I will change my mind no matter how many shiny things are tossed in my direction during private phone calls or private emails.

Permalink 05/11/09 @ 17:30

Comment from: itsasecret [Visitor]

I'm still sitting here reading this and still not hiding my identity,i'am who i say i'am.
Of course i have told my story as openly and truthfully as i possably could have,that includes no add-ons.
I like how Nathan quotes that''we will see who is telling the truth here''well duh,i may be blonde,but of course you will not be airring the cat out of the bag at this point,of course you will use the new stuff and cut the old stuff.
Maybe i'm just to much of an honest person,i have been questioned on things that i have said and if i said things wrong or differently i would in a heart beat correct that.
Trouble is that Nathan and Craig have done nothing but condemn,instead of taking the situation that they know darn well is truth.but of course they think differently and have there right to defend their work,wouldn't it be more logical for them to admitt to their mistakes and correct them?
Of course they now hold that opportunity to make their show better,and in the end say'''see she was lying we didn't do that'',but yet they chose the unprofessional route and i can accept that because they are unprofessional,they made mistakes and i hope that they learn something from those mistakes.
I will even accept them breaking me down,they have a right to defend,but they as well as i made it public record.
People have the right to believe whatever they want and whomever they want.

Permalink 05/11/09 @ 22:46

Comment from: Creepy Bastard [Visitor]

I would like to take this opportunity to apologize to the cast and crew of History of a Haunting.

I'm sorry I didn't directly extend an invitation to all of you to join the The Shadows Project forum.

The story of History of a Haunting has many versions. If you feel that your side has been skewed or misrepresented or insulted in any way, please feel free to join the forum and tell us.

http://tspforum.tickie.net/

Permalink 05/12/09 @ 09:39

Comment from: Sue [Member]

It will be interesting to see if they take you up on it. I highly doubt it though. I mean what can they say beyond taking shots at Shelley, and trying to convince what should be their target audience that there is any credibility to this show, when the evidence points very hard to the contrary in my opinion.

They should have a look at the Spirit Seekers pilot. It is a mix of spoof, and a bit of reality. They do not hide that they are are entertainers, and actors, but they are using locations that have reputations as being haunted, and paid for local psychics to add to the mix. I genuinely found it to be entertaining, because they are talented people and not an insult to everyone's intelligence.

As for Sayge/Shane/Soupy my opinion is this. He is a professional entertainer by day, and I am certain he is wonderful, he makes his bread, and butter by being wonderful. And I'm certain he has helped a lot of people, and would love to help a lot more people at those rates he charges. For $1200.00 he will even be your own personal guru according to his website. And if I'm paying that kinda dough he better be wonderful!

I do not necessarily fault him for this, other professional entertainers charge a lot more, but Mr Chamberland if you are going to proclaim what a wonderful, and helping human being Shane is, and chastise people who have questioned him on this blog or elsewhere, for the sake of honesty you might also want to mention his fee scale for all that wonderful help. Shame on you for forgetting to add that part.

However, this blog entry is not about the actors or Shane/Soupy etc. It never was. It is about a tv/internet show that claims to be something that the evidence heavily points to is not. And forgive me for being the type that does not like being lied to either by omission or otherwise.

Permalink 05/12/09 @ 10:20

Comment from: Sue [Member]