Post details: Sunday Smackdown....Male Chauvinism Within Cryptozoology? Part Deux

05/27/07

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Sunday Smackdown....Male Chauvinism Within Cryptozoology? Part Deux

To paraphrase the Bard, " The gentleman doth protest too much, me thinks."

Last week our Smackdown entitled, Male Chauvinism Within Cryptozoology? brought much consternation to Mr Loren Coleman. He blogs about it here.

Nowhere did I state that I thought Mr Noory was a chauvinist as Loren Coleman charges. I merely mentioned that he was the radio host of the program where Loren Coleman made his remarks. Apparently Mr Coleman misread that part.

Nor did I say Loren Coleman is a chauvinist. I have no clue if he is or isn't as I've never met the man. Only that I found statements made during the program to sound, "a bit chauvinistic."

And I did link directly to his own article on his appearance on that show for interested readers to formulate their own opinion based on his words, and not just my or Robin's interpretation of them.

Robin had this to say on the matter in an email sent directly to Loren Coleman:

"I was sorry to hear you were upset by my comment. I did not say you were a chauvanist--I simply said that one remark was chauvinistic. I stand by that opinion.

I did find it remarkable that you were so enraged. We're (Sue and I) such a small fish in the big pond I would hardly think our opinions would count so heavily. Perhaps if you had brought this to my attention rather than blogging it I could have had a chance to clarify that it was the STATEMENT not the person I objected to.

Im very VERY new in the crypto field. My role is primarily administrative at this point, at least until my book goes to press, and I rely on your work quite heavily as I learn. I will admit to having only a cursory interest in Bigfoot--Im more enthralled with birds and water "monsters" to be honest, with a possible study of cryptoentemology at some point. So all of my opinions" are based solely on the work of others; largely you.

If you and Sue Darroch want to battle this out, I'd like to be kept out of it. I admire you both very much, for different reasons, and it was never my intent to insult you. I wasn't upset when I made the statement. I simply felt that one remark was a bit off the mark and sexist. Surely you've taken stronger criticism from better sources *grin*.

If you'd like to discuss further, I'm certainly available for that.
Otherwise I consider this matter closed as far as I'm concerned."

Frankly it was way over blown in my opinion ... but if Mr Coleman feels that harmed, and wrong done by because I had the audacity to state my opinion on his words on my own blog then so be it. I'm sorry.

However, if I was in his position I would be thankful that someone took the time to state how my words were taken by at least two listeners if not more, so that I could address the issue. After all not all Coast To Coast listeners are going to be fans of his books, or aware of his website, and previous works. Therefore Robin, and I were probably not alone in thinking the statement sounded a "bit chauvinistic."

I will point out that Mr Coleman could have posted his concerns or asked for clarification on the original entry, we only filter for spam, not moderate every comment for opinion etc. Every comment received here is published, and only removed if it is racist, sexist etc. In the history of this blog that has only been done once, and there are some here that are highly critical of us. Our email addresses are not exactly hidden either.

Heck, all he had to do was ask, and I would have been happy to amend the entry to state this is how it sounded to us, but Coleman states it is in no way how it was intended.

Oh and thanks for pointing out the typo in the original entry. It has been corrected. Apparently this is a very huge deal for those in the "I've Never Made A Typo Club" ... ;)

As Robin said above, I too believe the issue to now be closed.

Cheers!
Sue

Comments, Pingbacks:

Comment from: Andrea [Visitor] Email · http://paranormalstories.blogspot.com
I love how people overreact. Even more so that someone else has misread what you wrote and is now calling it a witch hunt.

I guess in a way it is flattering that out of all of the other people, they chose to single you two out.
PermalinkPermalink 05/27/07 @ 04:47
Comment from: Sue [Member] Email · http://seminars.torontoghosts.org/
Andrea -> Thank you! Hopefully the matter will now be laid to rest so to speak .. :)
PermalinkPermalink 05/27/07 @ 08:34
Comment from: Mimi Lenox [Visitor] Email · http://mimiwrites.blogspot.com
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PermalinkPermalink 05/27/07 @ 16:06
Comment from: Robin [Visitor] Email · http://www.robinbellamy.com
Loren's at it again. He's countersmacking LOL

This would be funny if it weren't such a shame.
PermalinkPermalink 05/27/07 @ 18:04
Comment from: Sue [Member] Email · http://seminars.torontoghosts.org/
Mimi -> Absolute! We are in! Thank you .. :)

Robin -> I've said all I need to say above. You'll like next week's smack it has nothing to do with Crypto... :)
PermalinkPermalink 05/27/07 @ 18:36
Comment from: Sue [Member] Email · http://seminars.torontoghosts.org/
Robin -> See entry above, now I've said it all, any more would be stooping to a level I would not wish to go by naming my own dead horse. Sorry got better stuff to do. Perhaps I should post up some dudes in bikinis to deflect from the real issue ... LOL!
PermalinkPermalink 05/27/07 @ 20:39
Comment from: Stu [Visitor] Email · http://quebec.pararesearchers.org/index.html
No Sue. Men in thongs, like Loren Coleman's questionable views on women in the field, are just wrong. ;)
PermalinkPermalink 05/28/07 @ 10:19
Comment from: Stu [Visitor] Email · http://quebec.pararesearchers.org/index.html
Seriously though,

I have to stand up for Robin and Sue.

His initial comment on women in the field was sexist and archaic and offensive. If he doesn't recognise it as so, well then it shows ignorance on his part. If he is still defending his words, he risks becoming a complete ass rather than someone who said something regrettably stupid.

Good on Robin and Sue for calling out this BS. Smile
PermalinkPermalink 05/28/07 @ 10:23
Comment from: Sue [Member] Email · http://seminars.torontoghosts.org/
Stu -> Thank you for your support, but what about female sasquatchs???? Maybe they would be more receptive to Brad Pitt in a thong??? Oh this is just degenerating into further silliness :)
PermalinkPermalink 05/28/07 @ 10:25
Comment from: Sue [Member] Email · http://seminars.torontoghosts.org/
Stu -> And much as I loathe to defend this person, he did clearly state it was not his intention to sound chauvinistic at all. No matter if a few listeners or readers thought it sounded that way. The reason I loathe to defend him is not because I think he is a chauvinist, but for what I now see as over the top, over reacting to the point of silliness, and the unwillingness to see that he misread the first entry.
PermalinkPermalink 05/28/07 @ 10:31
Comment from: Stu [Visitor] Email · http://quebec.pararesearchers.org/index.html
Maybe if I ever decide to go out looking for sasquatch in the woods of Quebec, I ought to wear some sort of yummy cologne. Wear some bling?
PermalinkPermalink 05/28/07 @ 10:33
Comment from: Sue [Member] Email · http://seminars.torontoghosts.org/
Stu -> Bling would be very shiny, and perhaps more appropriate to catching sea monsters, like a fishing lure. :)
PermalinkPermalink 05/28/07 @ 10:49
Comment from: Stu [Visitor] Email · http://quebec.pararesearchers.org/index.html
Sue - I doubt he is trully chauvinistic but the initial comment and subsequent blog fallout is just silly.
PermalinkPermalink 05/28/07 @ 10:52
Comment from: Sue [Member] Email · http://seminars.torontoghosts.org/
Stu -> Agreed! However, it is quite telling in it's own way.
PermalinkPermalink 05/28/07 @ 11:07

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